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  1. Subscriber Paul Leggett
    Chess Librarian
    23 Feb '10 01:48
    Here's the observation. As Black, after 1.e4 Nf6, a large number of my RHP opponents (especially those playing under the cross of St George!) respond with 2. Nc3 and allow an easy transposition to the Pirc.

    I wonder, is it because they think Alekhine's Defense is more dangerous to face, or because they think it's easier to play against the Pirc, or something else?

    Multiple correct answers for this one, and no wrong answers, so answer away!

    Paul
  2. 23 Feb '10 02:05
    You have spent £14.95 on the Alekhine book they have not.

    It's also an invite into the Vienna. 1....e5 which they might know better.

    They like playing against the Pirc.

    They want to devlop a piece instead of pushing their e-pawn.

    ( is 2....d5 still playable? It use to be,)
  3. Subscriber Paul Leggett
    Chess Librarian
    23 Feb '10 02:13
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    You have spent £14.95 on the Alekhine book they have not.

    It's also an invite into the Vienna. 1....e5 which they might know better.

    They like playing against the Pirc.

    They want to devlop a piece instead of pushing their e-pawn.

    ( is 2....d5 still playable? It use to be,)
    GM Kengis was very successful with 2. ... d5, and I've been lucky with it, but I have recently transposed to the Pirc because I've been getting good games out of it.

    GM Ivanchuk has successfully transposed to the Black side of the Vienna and has done well- but he does well with whatever strikes him!

    GM Jonny Hector plays 2. Nc3 and does very well, and I wondered if he has a fan club. I've also considered that there is "chessbook flavor of the month" book advocating 2. Nc3 against Alekhine's- the best books seem to come out in the UK first and then drift over here to the States later.
  4. Standard member thesonofsaul
    King of the Ashes
    23 Feb '10 02:39
    Really, this lets you transpose into almost anything you like. Pirc, Modern, Philidor, French, Sicillian (with no chance of 2.c3!), and the list goes on and on ....
  5. Standard member Exuma
    Anansi
    23 Feb '10 02:52
    I've done this - I would play 2.e5 if I thought the alekhine player was susceptible to attack, but often these games get pretty pawnish and despite the extra space I just don't have a good sense of when to open it up. It's also a great way to say - "oho! I decline your invitation o spider" if I''m just not in the mood.
  6. 23 Feb '10 03:29 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Paul Leggett
    Here's the observation. As Black, after 1.e4 Nf6, a large number of my RHP opponents (especially those playing under the cross of St George!) respond with 2. Nc3 and allow an easy transposition to the Pirc.

    I wonder, is it because they think Alekhine's Defense is more dangerous to face, or because they think it's easier to play against the Pirc, or ...[text shortened]... else?

    Multiple correct answers for this one, and no wrong answers, so answer away!

    Paul
    don't even blink... just play d5...they are requesting an inferior game
    edit: lol I just realized I am by for the lowest rated player on this thread....oh well
  7. Standard member Exuma
    Anansi
    23 Feb '10 06:02
    Originally posted by c guy1
    don't even blink... just play d5...they are requesting an inferior game
    edit: lol I just realized I am by for the lowest rated player on this thread....oh well
    Nice try cguy! You do it too
    Game 1763266
  8. Standard member irontigran
    Rob Scheider is..
    23 Feb '10 07:34
    Originally posted by c guy1
    don't even blink... just play d5...they are requesting an inferior game
    edit: lol I just realized I am by for the lowest rated player on this thread....oh well
    lol, was going to mention the same thing but realized that as well.
    from what Ive seen ...d5 is better scoring at all levels
  9. Standard member Exuma
    Anansi
    23 Feb '10 07:53
    Originally posted by irontigran
    lol, was going to mention the same thing but realized that as well.
    from what Ive seen ...d5 is better scoring at all levels
    You too

    Game 4378922

    Sorry, no-one is moving in my games right now. I may be a bit too searchy.
  10. Standard member Exuma
    Anansi
    23 Feb '10 08:08
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    You have spent £14.95 on the Alekhine book they have not.

    It's also an invite into the Vienna. 1....e5 which they might know better.

    They like playing against the Pirc.

    They want to devlop a piece instead of pushing their e-pawn.

    ( is 2....d5 still playable? It use to be,)
    Here's one you mightof seen...

  11. Standard member irontigran
    Rob Scheider is..
    23 Feb '10 08:20
    Originally posted by Exuma
    You too

    Game 4378922

    Sorry, no-one is moving in my games right now. I may be a bit too searchy.
    haha, that game must be very old...much weaker there. but it still can show as a good example of what ...d5 is great
  12. 23 Feb '10 09:36
    Originally posted by c guy1
    don't even blink... just play d5...they are requesting an inferior game
    edit: lol I just realized I am by for the lowest rated player on this thread....oh well
    And you are fully entitled to speak up and not feel inferior. No way.

    This is a good site and usually a good forum but the grades on here are
    not to be confused with ELO, and even then you can/must contribute.

    I thought 2....d5 was the stock reply for at least an equal position
    and wondered why it was not played/suggested thought a line had
    been found for White.
  13. Standard member hunterknox
    Hopeless romantic
    24 Feb '10 00:26
    I think 2. Nc3 is streetfighter's preferred option, on the basis that it annoys black because you're not doing what he wants you to do. As a commited Alekhine player I have to concede he's right. Mind you, my stats vs 2. Nc3 aren't too shoddy...
  14. Subscriber Paul Leggett
    Chess Librarian
    24 Feb '10 01:23
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    And you are fully entitled to speak up and not feel inferior. No way.

    This is a good site and usually a good forum but the grades on here are
    not to be confused with ELO, and even then you can/must contribute.

    I thought 2....d5 was the stock reply for at least an equal position
    and wondered why it was not played/suggested thought a line had
    been found for White.
    My general impression of ...d5 (which I have played and done well with) is that it leads to easy equality, and it tends to score well at the GM level because lower-rated white players play it to avoid the higher-rated black player's prep, but the higher rated player wins anyway.

    I think it is very much a matter of style and familiarity of the various positions. And I must say that I think all these posts have been great, as there has been a pretty good diversity of opinions, which is exactly what I wanted to find out.

    My fundamental view of chess is that the endgame tablebases have truth, but the rest is for us to debate, and therein lies the fun. Game on!
  15. 24 Feb '10 15:38
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    And you are fully entitled to speak up and not feel inferior. No way.

    This is a good site and usually a good forum but the grades on here are
    not to be confused with ELO, and even then you can/must contribute.

    I thought 2....d5 was the stock reply for at least an equal position
    and wondered why it was not played/suggested thought a line had
    been found for White.
    2. Nc3 d5 leads to an open position which by itself will make black feel uncomfortable. Also, there are some straight forward aggressive lines for white that require careful defense.