But the first one I have done....
I know tactics are important, I tried that tactic site that everyone links but I find myself becoming obsessed with doing it in the 3 seconds or whatever and that just isnt enough time for me to get it right so I dont do very well.
How important is it really to get it within the time limit? Does it mean that I truly am "teh suxxorz" if I have to always take longr? Should I be trying to do it that quick or should I ignore the rated aspect and concentrate on just getting the right move regardless of time?
This thread is due to my frustration at not getting better, infact getting seemingly worse, I play CM GM edition and really struggle to beat high 1100,s upwards yet here I can hold my own against 1450-1500,s.
I know my rating went up to almost 1600 once but in reality I am no better than high 1400,s here...... I like everyone else want to get better but find I really struggle to concentrate on any books, frankly I just get bored, and CM mocks me by the low rated opponents beating me often thus making me cry in shame.... what to do!!
Originally posted by Pigface1CM being chessmaster I assume. They beat you because you probably do not have motivation to play such against such ugly artificial chess, do not worry about that. Work good work hard, find a club, not all chess books are boring ??! You can not improve much without trainer, literature or at least a LOT of games, training and self-analyzing. When it comes to chess here is the math :
But the first one I have done....
I know tactics are important, I tried that tactic site that everyone links but I find myself becoming obsessed with doing it in the 3 seconds or whatever and that just isnt enough time for me to get it right so I dont do very well.
How important is it really to get it within the time limit? Does it mean that I truly am ...[text shortened]... ks me by the low rated opponents beating me often thus making me cry in shame.... what to do!!
improvement = snail (if you work hard)
improvement = dead disabled snail (if you work less than hard)
So take the book, learn an opening, solve puzzles, drills, learn, play, learn, play and eventually you'll get 50 rating points every 6 months or so.
Sad, very sad. 😞
Originally posted by Pigface1The speed is not so important at the moment. The most important is getting it right, and if you got it wrong, understand why.
But the first one I have done....
I know tactics are important, I tried that tactic site that everyone links but I find myself becoming obsessed with doing it in the 3 seconds or whatever and that just isnt enough time for me to get it right so I dont do very well.
How important is it really to get it within the time limit? Does it mean that I truly am ...[text shortened]... ks me by the low rated opponents beating me often thus making me cry in shame.... what to do!!
Also at least as important as tactics are (basic) endgames.
Originally posted by Pigface1if you get a lot less than 90% correct, you're probably clicking before you've really processed the position. that is, you're guessing. which won't improve your tactical processing ability. (in fact it's more likely to develop lazy thinking habits)
But the first one I have done....
I know tactics are important, I tried that tactic site that everyone links but I find myself becoming obsessed with doing it in the 3 seconds or whatever and that just isnt enough time for me to get it right so I dont do very well.
How important is it really to get it within the time limit? Does it mean that I truly am ...[text shortened]... ks me by the low rated opponents beating me often thus making me cry in shame.... what to do!!
I guess I get about 80 percent correct while trying to play very quickly, but I feel half the time even though I guess right, its because a move looks good at a glance although I dont get the time to really check it actually is good, so I think theres a certain amount of luck in that method, which makes me wonder, is that really the way to learn?.
I know not all books are boring but I am very undisciplined and dont find it easy to motivate myself to study a book.
@ Squelch,
Unfortunately my circumstances meant I had to move away from my club so it is tougher now for me to get to OTB hence my absence..... besides I really did get thrashed by everyone anyway 🙂
yeah, it sounds like you're answering the problems too soon. getting your % over 90% forces you to actually go through the variations. and over time, the time pressure (you have 6s + 10s on average per problem btw) will trim the fat out of your thought process, making you skim through variations without redundancy and starting from the most forcing moves.
Originally posted by wormwoodYup, the problem being is in reality my thought process needs an average of 15 seconds per problem, it takes me ten seconds to see whats going on the board before I know the best move, I can guess the best move much quicker of course but I need the 15 seconds to make sure im right if you know what I mean.
yeah, it sounds like you're answering the problems too soon. getting your % over 90% forces you to actually go through the variations. and over time, the time pressure (you have 6s + 10s on average per problem btw) will trim the fat out of your thought process, making you skim through variations without redundancy and starting from the most forcing moves.
Doing it in their time limit seems to me to teach you only how to be good at blitz chess, in reality I have never played a game where I am forced to make my move so quickly which makes me wonder if it really is that beneficial to use a site like that.It would be beneficial I think if I totally disregarded the time limit and took my own sweet time but then my rating would plummet and I would be facing problems far too easy for me thus again being of little to no benefit.
Originally posted by Pigface1it doesn't. I'm 'good' at CTS & slow chess, but crap at blitz.
Doing it in their time limit seems to me to teach you only how to be good at blitz chess...
about the 'too easy' problems: if you can't solve them correctly in 16s, they're still too hard for you and you need to train them more.
and yes, slowing down (which equals upping your accuracy) will take hundreds of points from your rating.
I suppose that makes some sense, but the problems I cant get in 16 seconds I would very easily get in a whole minute, and considering I only play serious time controls like OTB settings or CC chess, I have minutes and days not seconds to work on tactics, I can see that by spotting them quickly and getting good at that, it would help you get used to spotting them in general, I think I need to find something like that site but without the rating and time limit, something that has thousands of problems ranging from easy to hard but which you can solely concentrate on without the other aspects.
I may register and play the tactic site properly instead of guest as it doesnt actually do any harm, time will tell if it becomes beneficial to me.
Thanks for your input and to others anyway.
that why I like CT-ART a little more than chess tactics server and the tactics trainer at chess.com. Time really is not an issue and you can concentrate on really finding the right moves instead of hurriedly clicking something you hope think is right but are really not completely decided. And playing and checking against crafty is nice too.
Originally posted by onehandgannTactics server on chess.com is the fastest evolving and now maybe even the best one. But they limited the number of exercises to 3 daily if you are not subscriber there, so if you do not pay, it is pretty much useless. I do that three puzzles daily anyway...
that why I like CT-ART a little more than chess tactics server and the tactics trainer at chess.com. Time really is not an issue and you can concentrate on really finding the right moves instead of hurriedly clicking something you hope think is right but are really not completely decided. And playing and checking against crafty is nice too.
chesstempo.com is also a site where they have a nice chess tasks (tactics) and a good opening database. in tasks u simply choose a name and a password..log in...u can choose blitz or standard..in standard there is not time limit and you are rated...I'm about 1700 there on standard...I suck at blitz....
Originally posted by Pigface1I had a very high percentage on CTS (around 89 I think) after several thousand problems, and I discovered even if I try to solve the problems not by guessing but calculating variations, it still gave me very bad thinking habits, so I quit it.
I suppose that makes some sense, but the problems I cant get in 16 seconds I would very easily get in a whole minute, and considering I only play serious time controls like OTB settings or CC chess, I have minutes and days not seconds to work on tactics, I can see that by spotting them quickly and getting good at that, it would help you get used to spotting ...[text shortened]... m, time will tell if it becomes beneficial to me.
Thanks for your input and to others anyway.
tactical study should be different I think. it should involve taking up your time (not talking about seconds here!) and trying to get variations down very concretely, you should even see that surprise inbetween check by the opponent, which makes your 15 minutes of calculation work go to waste. but hey, it saves you your piece. do you see what I mean?
CTS really made me very lazy. When I looked at positions, I just wanted to get the move in a couple of seconds. and in CTS, when you find a reasonable looking move which seems not to be a blunder in a 2 move depth calculation, its 99% of the time the right move. but in reality, you really need to be a lot more careful and slow.
have you ever watched GM tournament games where they have 120 mins for 40 moves? even in the most trivial tactical sequences, they always calculate for a pretty long time. so that's why I have stopped CTS (after countless hours) and got back to CT-Art, where the problems are more complicated and I have the chance to analyze positions even for 20 minutes before moving. it suits me better.
but since we have the example of wormwood, for whom the CTS works perfectly, all of this may not be right for everybody.
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Id recommend CT-ART too, really good program. I think racing against the clock in just tactical training is pointless, the idea of tactical training is to improve your pattern recognition which is going to get improved a lot more by spending enough time on the positions to have a good understanding of whats going on instead of just pushing wood and making the first obvious move you see.