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  1. 06 Aug '10 11:37
    dedicated to mating patterns that the good folk at RHP would recommend?
  2. 06 Aug '10 12:30
    Originally posted by airborne143rd
    dedicated to mating patterns that the good folk at RHP would recommend?
    I guess the standard is Renaud & Kahn's "The Art of the Checkmate." I haven't read it, but supposedly the content is great. Inexpensive Dover edition still in print. Downsides are descriptive notation and apparently a poor translation.
  3. 07 Aug '10 19:35
    Originally posted by Mad Rook
    I guess the standard is Renaud & Kahn's "The Art of the Checkmate." I haven't read it, but supposedly the content is great. Inexpensive Dover edition still in print. Downsides are descriptive notation and apparently a poor translation.
    Yes,great book indeed.I read the English version and had no problem with the prose.

    What is supposed to be wrong with it?

    toet.
  4. 07 Aug '10 21:10 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by toeternitoe
    Yes,great book indeed.I read the English version and had no problem with the prose.

    What is supposed to be wrong with it?

    toet.
    Good, if you didn't notice anything wrong with the text, then maybe it's not as bad as I was led to believe. I based my comment on a review by Cecil Purdy in "Chess World". Here's the link:

    http://isolanis.com/2008/01/the-art-of-checkmate-by-renaud-kahn-reviewed-by-cecil-purdy/
  5. Standard member nimzo5
    Ronin
    09 Aug '10 19:16
    When I first started playing I copied all the patterns from Chapter 1 of "Mastering Chess: A course in 21 lessons" into my notebook. It was a good use of my time.
  6. 09 Aug '10 19:57
    Originally posted by Mad Rook
    Good, if you didn't notice anything wrong with the text, then maybe it's not as bad as I was led to believe. I based my comment on a review by Cecil Purdy in "Chess World". Here's the link:

    http://isolanis.com/2008/01/the-art-of-checkmate-by-renaud-kahn-reviewed-by-cecil-purdy/
    "a clumsy translation has succeeded in making merely delightful what could have been made super-delightful."

    That's hardly criticism.I suspect your memory played a trick on you making it worse as time went by.

    The prose is not the most important anyway,although it helps a lot.But this book is so good it would even be worth having a Russian copy,as long as you can figure out the notation.

    toet.
  7. 09 Aug '10 23:49 / 4 edits
    It was translated by W.J.Taylor. Purdy does not appear to mention him.

    It reads OK. Mind you, it's hard to cock up the moves when translating
    so that is all I was interested in.

    They give all the Mates names and when they could not think of a name
    they gave it a number. Mate No.9.

    Funnily enough that sometimes pops into my head when I see it.
    Very rarely the name of the mate. But Mate No.9 has stuck.



    This is the pattern for Mate No.9. Mate in three.

    They have a Mate No.8 but I've never thought of as it that.

    Mate No.9 (it's kind of catchy, sinister in a way, terminal).
  8. 10 Aug '10 04:31
    Number 9. Number 9. Number 9. Number 9. Number 9...
  9. 10 Aug '10 05:33
    Of course, you are right, it's a subliminal thing.

    Though I think that is worst thing the Beatles (well Lennon) ever did.

    We have got to give this mate a name.

    Wll that has cleared that up.

    Cheers.
  10. 10 Aug '10 06:43
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  11. 10 Aug '10 19:05
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Of course, you are right, it's a subliminal thing.

    Though I think that is worst thing the Beatles (well Lennon) ever did.

    We have got to give this mate a name.

    Wll that has cleared that up.

    Cheers.
    Agreed. Could not get myself to listen to the whole song (the ONLY song on the White album).

    As for Mate #9, (I guess it doesn't have a name because it is as old as antiquity), wikipedia has a similar mate called the h-file mate. Not an original name. So, instead of calling it based upon how the mate looks, I chose to find characteristics of the number 9. Here are a couple cool ones:

    1. The enneagram (The Enneagram mate)

    2. The Odinic Rite (The Odinic mate)

    3. The Asturu Nine Noble Virtues (The Asturu mate)

    4. In the year 9 AD the Catuvellauni attack the Trinovantes and capture Camulodunum
    (The Catuvellauni mate)

    5. In the year 9 AD Wang Mang usurped the Chinese throne and ended Han rule
    (The Mang mate)

    6. 9 Metis is one of the larger main belt asteroids (The Metis mate)

    More are listed at the source below.

    (Source: Virtue Science - http://www.virtuescience.com/9.html)
  12. 10 Aug '10 19:13
    Originally posted by xfoxhound80x
    Agreed. Could not get myself to listen to the whole song (the ONLY song on the White album).

    As for Mate #9, (I guess it doesn't have a name because it is as old as antiquity), wikipedia has a similar mate called the h-file mate. Not an original name. So, instead of calling it based upon how the mate looks, I chose to find characteristics of the ...[text shortened]... e listed at the source below.

    (Source: Virtue Science - http://www.virtuescience.com/9.html)
    1 vote for Asturu mate

    toet.
  13. 10 Aug '10 19:56 / 1 edit
    I was kind of hoping we might name it after a chess player.

    Here is a 1345 player pulling off the exact positon for Mate No.9
    using a Queen sac.

    Btutt - Exy RHP 2007

    Btutt is not my choice to replace Mate No.9 by the way, I just saw the game.

    I've worked my way onto the longer games on the 1400 DB and now all the
    silly opening blunders have passed I'm actually seeing a few good games.

    Still lack the shean of a polished player but very entertaining and encouraging.
    Sadly loads of promising attacks etc are being marred by daft one move blunders.

    But the ideas are there and I bleed a little when I see a clever trick missed.

    here I love the way the Black Queen runs off to the Queeside to nick a pawn
    and tries to scuttle back to save her King.

  14. 10 Aug '10 20:11
    Greenpawn, do I understand correctly that you are reviewing all the games played on this site by players ranked around 1400?
  15. 10 Aug '10 22:36 / 1 edit
    Not every game.

    I am entering mating patterns, piece positions and formations that are
    the seed for combinations, also looking for manourvers like Bxh7+,
    pawn promotion tricks, etc etc. then do a databse search.

    I have split the DB (1,119,089 games) into 1-10, 10-20, 20 -30 etc etc.
    to save search time.

    Sometimes I get hundreds and I click on each one, lucklily the DB shows
    the game from the positon I seek and I quickly decide if it's interesting
    or not.

    This is where the good chess player bit comes in handy.

    I have unearthed some smashing stuff.

    Of course I'm not looking forward to the ending stuff. I peeked and there
    are thousands of K+ Q K mates and quite a few stalemate.

    Also hundreds of K + R v K mates. Only found one stalemate here to date.
    It's quite hard to actually stalemate with K + R if you do not mean it.

    The rule of thumb for the 1400 players is to promote ot a Rook as it
    lessens your chance of stalemate.

    I have also isolated all games that ended 1-0 or 0-1 on exactley 25 moves,
    28,833 those I am going to blunder check at 1 sec move range 200.
    then do a search for !! and ?? this should find combinations played and missed.
    *I've done over 500 already and that was just to see if I got the criteria right
    I think I have.).

    I chose 25 because it's the limit of the miniature and it also passed the bounds
    of two clowns (or one clown with a double account) messing about. (see below).

    Here is the quickest double pawn promotion Game 4076653 9 moves

    This is obvioulsy a composed game possibly by one user with a double account.
    If you look at the 30 odd games between these two you see all kinds of
    junk - fools mates etc.

    I sensed composition the moment I saw the game - this one was easy,
    others are a wee bit harder to spot. (again the good player bit....) .

    Both are now banned one got to over 2100 before the ban, the other over 1700.