Originally posted by davfrayou misquote me...i only said if anything they are 'simpler' to attack than a typical castled position SANS fianchetto. BUT NOT SIMPLE TO ATTACK...IT'S A MATTER OF READING COMPREHENSION.
Hey Hippo, I thought you said a fiachettoed bishop was easy to beat. I just looked at game 735978. Someone called Padad played a fianchettoed bishop against someone called.. erm..Hyper, and guess what? Poor old Hyper got stuffed.
Not that easy then, is it?
From the Art of Attack, p.231:
"The weak aspect of the fianchettoed position lies in the fact that the position of the g pawn at g6 simplifies the attacker's task in opening of the h-file by the advance of his h pawn."
does it have any pluses?? OF COURSE...including resistance to attack on the long diagonal..is it double edged? yes.
My point is summarized by the quote above...all the arguments are by people who misunderstood or do not understand. There can be no arguments against the inherent weakness created by the g pawn. There is no inherent weakness in the typical castled position to match that. I am not saying it is bad...an important point is that if you have a castled position with fianchetto, you better not just play defense...you may need a counterattack in order for the weakness to not come into play. The main advantage is that fianchettoed bishop itself as it often is a very strong and infuential piece.
Originally posted by buffalobillThe opponent has not "spent two moves preparing his fianchetto" any more than he would spend two moves preparing any development of his Bishop. One Pawn move to free the Bishop, one Bishop move.
Just a thought - while your opponent has spent two moves preparing his fianchetto, what have you been doing in the meantime? It must lead to a weakness elsewhere, so work on that advantage.
Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboardThis, and hypermo2001's post where he quotes the Art of Attack, are the two posts that gave me additional insight into this issue.
Try putting the bishop on h6 defended by a queen on the same diagonal and then instead of trading of the bishop play h4-h5 this way you can prevent black from defending with h5 and you can open up the h file ! And if black takes the bishop the queen will penetrate in the the weakened kingside.
Attacking a king with a pawn formation of f7, g6, and h7 is very easy! It is all a matter of pawnstorming the kingside with g4, h4, and h5. Make sure your king is castled queenside before expanding on the queenside. Then play Bh6, and your queen will soon penetrate and mate the king.
Originally posted by AkashicDon't play Bh6 until after the Pawn storm eh? That's another interesting variation.
Attacking a king with a pawn formation of f7, g6, and h7 is very easy! It is all a matter of pawnstorming the kingside with g4, h4, and h5. Make sure your king is castled queenside before expanding on the queenside. Then play Bh6, and your queen will soon penetrate and mate the king.
If you play the Kings Indian Defense, you best be aware of something called the Barry attack. GM Mark Hebden of England has claimed many scalps with the Barry attack. He has beaten GM John Nunn in 23 moves twice with this opening. 1. D4 NF6. 2. NF3 G6. 3. NC3 BG7. 4. BF4 O-O or D6 5. BE2 and Black is certainly out of book and on his own resources.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungummm, no because moving the e-pawn is a natural developing moving and a central pawn will have to be pushed as part of your opening plan anyways so its more efficient than to fianchetto. preparing the fianchetto does require one extra tempo.
The opponent has not "spent two moves preparing his fianchetto" any more than he would spend two moves preparing any development of his Bishop. One Pawn move to free the Bishop, one Bishop move.
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Bh6 after pawn storm yes. Anyways the KID since white has spent a tempi playing c4 is not so easy to attack. Actually it is usually black doing the attacking. However the Pirc is a different story, It is much easier to attack since Black's plan consists of Queenside Attacking, and white has not played c4 making the king on the queenside safer than in the KID.
Originally posted by Akashicblack also has good resources to defend against pawnstorm. In example, if white swaps off dark bishops then...h5- pawnmove at right time is very effective defending move. Also centerbreak with ...c6 is often strong. Double-edged, probably both colours have equal chances.
Bh6 after pawn storm yes. Anyways the KID since white has spent a tempi playing c4 is not so easy to attack. Actually it is usually black doing the attacking. However the Pirc is a different story, It is much easier to attack since Black's plan consists of Queenside Attacking, and white has not played c4 making the king on the queenside safer than in the KID.
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Originally posted by JusuhUmm this is why you need to play g4 then h4, then h5 and only then Bh6, if black plays h5 just play gxh and his King is very open.
black also has good resources to defend against pawnstorm. In example, if white swaps off dark bishops then...h5- pawnmove at right time is very effective defending move. Also centerbreak with ...c6 is often strong. Double-edged, probably both colours have equal chances.
Originally posted by Akashicafter gxh5 Nxh5 i dont think black king has big worries. both h-and g-files are only half-open and g6-pawn is well protected and black knight at h5 defends well by blocking whitepawn
Umm this is why you need to play g4 then h4, then h5 and only then Bh6, if black plays h5 just play gxh and his King is very open.
Originally posted by AThousandYoungyeah nice win. i dont know is it good idea to play fianchetto in caro kann...
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