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Joined 17 Feb '07 Moves 35053 Anyone else find these openings a pain in the arse to play against
1.d4
London System
Colle
Veresov
Trompowsky
Torre
I play 1...d5 against 1.d4 and my club collegues say that after 1...d5 Black is in for a dull game.
What do other people play as Black against these awful systems.
This was sparked by a recent OTB game against a ECF 137 player I had last week, where I was Black, I played it okay according to Fritz but all the way through I hated my position. To the point where my position went slowly downhill only to claw back to a drawn position to later win on time!!!
I SAY BAN THE LOT OF EM!!
searching for truth
Joined 06 Jun '06 Moves 30390 Originally posted by najdorfslayer
Anyone else find these openings a pain in the arse to play against
1.d4
London System
Colle
Veresov
Trompowsky
Torre
I play 1...d5 against 1.d4 and my club collegues say that after 1...d5 Black is in for a dull game.
What do other people play as Black against these awful systems.
This was sparked by a recent OTB game against a BCF 1 ...[text shortened]... nly to claw back to a drawn position to later win on time!!!
[b]I SAY BAN THE LOT OF EM!! [/b]Play 1. d4 .. Nf6 and avoid the lot!
Riga
Joined 05 Jan '05 Moves 24932 Originally posted by najdorfslayer
Anyone else find these openings a pain in the arse to play against
1.d4
London System
Colle
Veresov
Trompowsky
Torre
I play 1...d5 against 1.d4 and my club collegues say that after 1...d5 Black is in for a dull game.
What do other people play as Black against these awful systems.
This was sparked by a recent OTB game against a BCF 1 ...[text shortened]... hill only to rescue a drawn position to later win on time!!!
[b]I SAY BAN THE LOT OF EM!! [/b]It`s better to learn playing against these systems instead of ban 😛
Personally from these systems you mentioned I have had problems only against London system.
Omaha, Nebraska, USA
Joined 04 Jul '06 Moves 1114601 Gee. So you play a dull line against a strategic opening, and then blame the line for being dull. Fascinating.
(By the way, you are a great player and I am no match for you, so I'm only responding in fun!) 😉
Third Earth
Joined 17 Feb '07 Moves 35053 Originally posted by Dragon Fire
Play 1. d4 .. Nf6 and avoid the lot! The quesion I suppose I am asking is whether there are more aggresive systems against this tosh after Black plays 1...Nf6.
Problem is I only play the NID ater 1...Nf6, are NID type systems more aggressive against 1.d4 tosh than 1...d5 systems?
I may have to refer to my copy of
Dealing with d4 Deviations: Fighting the Trompowsky, Torre, Blackmar-Diemer, Stonewall, Colle and other problem openings
http://www.everymanchess.com/display.php?id=266
Originally posted by najdorfslayer
Anyone else find these openings a pain in the arse to play against
1.d4
London System
Colle
Veresov
Trompowsky
Torre
I play 1...d5 against 1.d4 and my club collegues say that after 1...d5 Black is in for a dull game.
What do other people play as Black against these awful systems.
This was sparked by a recent OTB game against a ECF 1 ...[text shortened]... nly to claw back to a drawn position to later win on time!!!
[b]I SAY BAN THE LOT OF EM!! [/b]I used to hate playing against them, but much the same as yourself I ended up losing games because of this 'negative' feeling.
Now i see it as my goal in life to win against them, and prove to the 'white' player that they should mend their ways and learn a real opening!
Basically, give yourself a reason to enjoy the game, even if it is a 'dull' opening.
Joined 04 Jul '06 Moves 7174 Originally posted by najdorfslayer
Anyone else find these openings a pain in the arse to play against
1.d4
London System
Colle
Veresov
Trompowsky
Torre
I play 1...d5 against 1.d4 and my club collegues say that after 1...d5 Black is in for a dull game.
What do other people play as Black against these awful systems.
This was sparked by a recent OTB game against a ECF 1 ...[text shortened]... nly to claw back to a drawn position to later win on time!!!
[b]I SAY BAN THE LOT OF EM!! [/b]same feeling here...can you please post your game?
Third Earth
Joined 17 Feb '07 Moves 35053 Originally posted by vipiu
same feeling here...can you please post your game? Here is the game It's not too high standard, especially nearer the end as we both were very short on time.
He should have won on a couple of occasions move 33 & 34 were mistakes by White. (33.Bd6+ wins for White and 34.Kd3 wins for White)
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4 Bf5 4.e3 e6 5.c4 c6 6.Qb3 Qb6 7.c5 Qxb3 8.axb3 Nbd7 9.h3 Bxb1 10.Rxb1 Ne4 11.b4 Be7 12.Nd2 Nxd2 13.Kxd2 f6 14.b5 e5 15.Bg3 Kf7 16.Bd3 Ke6 17.b4 Nb8 18.Ra1 cxb5 19.Bxb5 a6 20.Rhb1 Nc6 21.Bxc6 bxc6 22.Ra4 Ra7 23.b5 cxb5 24.Rxb5 axb5 25.Rxa7 Re8 26.Kc3 exd4+ 27.exd4 f5 28.Ra6+ Kf7 29.Ra7 Ke6 30.Ra2 Kd7 31.Re2 g5 32.Be5 Kc6 33.Bf6 b4+ 34.Kb3 Bxf6 35.Rxe8 Bxd4 36.Kxb4 Bxc5+ 37.Kc3 Bxf2 38.Rh8 Kd6 39.Kd3 Ke5 40.Ke2 Bg1 41.Rxh7 d4 42.Rb7 Kf4 43.Rb4 Be3 44.Rb2 Kg3 0-1
Joined 12 Feb '05 Moves 47202 Originally posted by najdorfslayer
Anyone else find these openings a pain in the arse to play against
1.d4
London System
Colle
Veresov
Trompowsky
Torre
I play 1...d5 against 1.d4 and my club collegues say that after 1...d5 Black is in for a dull game.
What do other people play as Black against these awful systems.
This was sparked by a recent OTB game against a ECF 1 ...[text shortened]... nly to claw back to a drawn position to later win on time!!!
[b]I SAY BAN THE LOT OF EM!! [/b]You play 1. ..d5, right? Just play Nc6, Bg4 and aim for a quick ..e5. This should equalize comfortably.
Originally posted by Dragon Fire
Play 1. d4 .. Nf6 and avoid the lot!
You don't avoid any of those with 1. ..Nf6.
Joined 12 Feb '05 Moves 47202 Originally posted by najdorfslayer
Here is the game It's not too high standard, especially nearer the end as we both were very short on time.
He should have won on a couple of occasions move 33 & 34 were mistakes by White. (33.Bd6+ wins for White and 34.Kd3 wins for White)
[pgn]1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4 Bf5 4.e3 e6 5.c4 c6 6.Qb3 Qb6
7.c5 Qxb3 8.axb3 Nbd7 9.h3 Bxb1 10.Rxb1 Ne4 11.b ...[text shortened]... Bxf2
38.Rh8 Kd6 39.Kd3 Ke5 40.Ke2 Bg1 41.Rxh7 d4 42.Rb7 Kf4
43.Rb4 Be3 44.Rb2 Kg3 0-1[/pgn] 6. ..Qc8 or 6. ..b6 wouldn't present black much trouble. The resulting queenless middlegame after 7. c5 is very comfortable for white because of his play on the a-file; the doubled b-pawn can be used as a battering ram.
Third Earth
Joined 17 Feb '07 Moves 35053 Originally posted by schakuhr
You play 1. ..d5, right? Just play Nc6, Bg4 and aim for a quick ..e5. This should equalize comfortably.
Originally posted by Dragon Fire
[b]Play 1. d4 .. Nf6 and avoid the lot!
You don't avoid any of those with 1. ..Nf6.[/b]The problem with this is
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4
I have to play the Chigorin
I don't play the Chigorin
Third Earth
Joined 17 Feb '07 Moves 35053 Originally posted by schakuhr
6. ..Qc8 or 6. ..b6 wouldn't present black much trouble. The resulting queenless middlegame after 7. c5 is very comfortable for white because of his play on the a-file; the doubled b-pawn can be used as a battering ram. I don't think Black is any worse after Qb6. However I agree White's position is probably easier to play due to his space advantage.
I should have played 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4
c5
Joined 14 Jul '06 Moves 20541 I'm holding my nose & jumping right in this season OTB with a cunning plan to destroy the spirit of the 1.d4 player.
The answer:
1...e5!
Joined 07 Nov '04 Moves 18861 Originally posted by najdorfslayer
Anyone else find these openings a pain in the arse to play against
1.d4
London System
Colle
Veresov
Trompowsky
Torre
I play 1...d5 against 1.d4 and my club collegues say that after 1...d5 Black is in for a dull game.
What do other people play as Black against these awful systems.
This was sparked by a recent OTB game against a ECF 1 ...[text shortened]... nly to claw back to a drawn position to later win on time!!!
[b]I SAY BAN THE LOT OF EM!! [/b]Maybe play the Dutch? Or at least have it in your repertoire for when you play these boring bastards!
Joined 12 Feb '05 Moves 47202 Originally posted by najdorfslayer
The problem with this is
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4
I have to play the Chigorin
I don't play the Chigorin Maybe 3. ..e5!? with a likely tranposition to the Albin? (I thought you played that)
In any case, after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6, 3. Nf3 isn't really critical (in my opinion 3. cxd5 and 3. Nc3 are the most testing replies) so it shouldn't be too hard to implement this in your repertoire.
It's worth the trouble for finding a good response to all those pesky 1. d4 systems.
I don't think Black is any worse after Qb6. However I agree White's position is probably easier to play due to his space advantage.
I should have played 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4 c5
Easier to play indeed, as usual..
The 3. ..c5 line is another way to equalize, as long as you follow it up with Bf5 or Bg4 before moving ..e6.
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