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03 Aug 08
03 Aug 08
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Anyone else find these openings a pain in the arse to play against
1.d4
London System
Colle
Veresov
Trompowsky
Torre
I play 1...d5 against 1.d4 and my club collegues say that after 1...d5 Black is in for a dull game.
What do other people play as Black against these awful systems.
This was sparked by a recent OTB game against a ECF 137 player I had last week, where I was Black, I played it okay according to Fritz but all the way through I hated my position. To the point where my position went slowly downhill only to claw back to a drawn position to later win on time!!!
I SAY BAN THE LOT OF EM!!
03 Aug 08
Originally posted by najdorfslayerPlay 1. d4 .. Nf6 and avoid the lot!
Anyone else find these openings a pain in the arse to play against
1.d4
London System
Colle
Veresov
Trompowsky
Torre
I play 1...d5 against 1.d4 and my club collegues say that after 1...d5 Black is in for a dull game.
What do other people play as Black against these awful systems.
This was sparked by a recent OTB game against a BCF 1 ...[text shortened]... nly to claw back to a drawn position to later win on time!!!
[b]I SAY BAN THE LOT OF EM!![/b]
03 Aug 08
Originally posted by najdorfslayerIt`s better to learn playing against these systems instead of ban 😛
Anyone else find these openings a pain in the arse to play against
1.d4
London System
Colle
Veresov
Trompowsky
Torre
I play 1...d5 against 1.d4 and my club collegues say that after 1...d5 Black is in for a dull game.
What do other people play as Black against these awful systems.
This was sparked by a recent OTB game against a BCF 1 ...[text shortened]... hill only to rescue a drawn position to later win on time!!!
[b]I SAY BAN THE LOT OF EM!![/b]
Personally from these systems you mentioned I have had problems only against London system.
03 Aug 08
Originally posted by Dragon FireThe quesion I suppose I am asking is whether there are more aggresive systems against this tosh after Black plays 1...Nf6.
Play 1. d4 .. Nf6 and avoid the lot!
Problem is I only play the NID ater 1...Nf6, are NID type systems more aggressive against 1.d4 tosh than 1...d5 systems?
I may have to refer to my copy of
Dealing with d4 Deviations: Fighting the Trompowsky, Torre, Blackmar-Diemer, Stonewall, Colle and other problem openings
http://www.everymanchess.com/display.php?id=266
03 Aug 08
Originally posted by najdorfslayerI used to hate playing against them, but much the same as yourself I ended up losing games because of this 'negative' feeling.
Anyone else find these openings a pain in the arse to play against
1.d4
London System
Colle
Veresov
Trompowsky
Torre
I play 1...d5 against 1.d4 and my club collegues say that after 1...d5 Black is in for a dull game.
What do other people play as Black against these awful systems.
This was sparked by a recent OTB game against a ECF 1 ...[text shortened]... nly to claw back to a drawn position to later win on time!!!
[b]I SAY BAN THE LOT OF EM!![/b]
Now i see it as my goal in life to win against them, and prove to the 'white' player that they should mend their ways and learn a real opening!
Basically, give yourself a reason to enjoy the game, even if it is a 'dull' opening.
03 Aug 08
Originally posted by najdorfslayersame feeling here...can you please post your game?
Anyone else find these openings a pain in the arse to play against
1.d4
London System
Colle
Veresov
Trompowsky
Torre
I play 1...d5 against 1.d4 and my club collegues say that after 1...d5 Black is in for a dull game.
What do other people play as Black against these awful systems.
This was sparked by a recent OTB game against a ECF 1 ...[text shortened]... nly to claw back to a drawn position to later win on time!!!
[b]I SAY BAN THE LOT OF EM!![/b]
03 Aug 08
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Originally posted by vipiuHere is the game It's not too high standard, especially nearer the end as we both were very short on time.
same feeling here...can you please post your game?
He should have won on a couple of occasions move 33 & 34 were mistakes by White. (33.Bd6+ wins for White and 34.Kd3 wins for White)
03 Aug 08
Originally posted by najdorfslayerYou play 1. ..d5, right? Just play Nc6, Bg4 and aim for a quick ..e5. This should equalize comfortably.
Anyone else find these openings a pain in the arse to play against
1.d4
London System
Colle
Veresov
Trompowsky
Torre
I play 1...d5 against 1.d4 and my club collegues say that after 1...d5 Black is in for a dull game.
What do other people play as Black against these awful systems.
This was sparked by a recent OTB game against a ECF 1 ...[text shortened]... nly to claw back to a drawn position to later win on time!!!
[b]I SAY BAN THE LOT OF EM!![/b]
Originally posted by Dragon Fire
Play 1. d4 .. Nf6 and avoid the lot!
You don't avoid any of those with 1. ..Nf6.
03 Aug 08
Originally posted by najdorfslayer6. ..Qc8 or 6. ..b6 wouldn't present black much trouble. The resulting queenless middlegame after 7. c5 is very comfortable for white because of his play on the a-file; the doubled b-pawn can be used as a battering ram.
Here is the game It's not too high standard, especially nearer the end as we both were very short on time.
He should have won on a couple of occasions move 33 & 34 were mistakes by White. (33.Bd6+ wins for White and 34.Kd3 wins for White)
[pgn]1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4 Bf5 4.e3 e6 5.c4 c6 6.Qb3 Qb6
7.c5 Qxb3 8.axb3 Nbd7 9.h3 Bxb1 10.Rxb1 Ne4 11.b ...[text shortened]... Bxf2
38.Rh8 Kd6 39.Kd3 Ke5 40.Ke2 Bg1 41.Rxh7 d4 42.Rb7 Kf4
43.Rb4 Be3 44.Rb2 Kg3 0-1[/pgn]
03 Aug 08
Originally posted by schakuhrThe problem with this is
You play 1. ..d5, right? Just play Nc6, Bg4 and aim for a quick ..e5. This should equalize comfortably.
Originally posted by Dragon Fire
[b]Play 1. d4 .. Nf6 and avoid the lot!
You don't avoid any of those with 1. ..Nf6.[/b]
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4
I have to play the Chigorin
I don't play the Chigorin
03 Aug 08
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Originally posted by schakuhrI don't think Black is any worse after Qb6. However I agree White's position is probably easier to play due to his space advantage.
6. ..Qc8 or 6. ..b6 wouldn't present black much trouble. The resulting queenless middlegame after 7. c5 is very comfortable for white because of his play on the a-file; the doubled b-pawn can be used as a battering ram.
I should have played 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4 c5
03 Aug 08
Originally posted by najdorfslayerMaybe play the Dutch? Or at least have it in your repertoire for when you play these boring bastards!
Anyone else find these openings a pain in the arse to play against
1.d4
London System
Colle
Veresov
Trompowsky
Torre
I play 1...d5 against 1.d4 and my club collegues say that after 1...d5 Black is in for a dull game.
What do other people play as Black against these awful systems.
This was sparked by a recent OTB game against a ECF 1 ...[text shortened]... nly to claw back to a drawn position to later win on time!!!
[b]I SAY BAN THE LOT OF EM!![/b]
03 Aug 08
Originally posted by najdorfslayerMaybe 3. ..e5!? with a likely tranposition to the Albin? (I thought you played that)
The problem with this is
1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c4
I have to play the Chigorin
I don't play the Chigorin
In any case, after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6, 3. Nf3 isn't really critical (in my opinion 3. cxd5 and 3. Nc3 are the most testing replies) so it shouldn't be too hard to implement this in your repertoire.
It's worth the trouble for finding a good response to all those pesky 1. d4 systems.
I don't think Black is any worse after Qb6. However I agree White's position is probably easier to play due to his space advantage.
I should have played 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bf4 c5
Easier to play indeed, as usual..
The 3. ..c5 line is another way to equalize, as long as you follow it up with Bf5 or Bg4 before moving ..e6.