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Best reply to 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4....

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I'm new here, but hopefully that's not that important.

I see this sequence a lot regardless of opening transpositions, but it usually spawns from one of the various Knight openings and/or Italian Game. The most obvious reply is simply 5. O-O, but that of course opens 5...Nxf2 6. Rxf2 Bxf2. If the reply isn't 5...Nxf2 then I stand to gain time with 6. h3 attacking the knight and achieving a king luft at the same time, but in the middlegame I feel it leaves my kingside position slightly compromised.

I know this is a common pattern, and no doubt I can find various resources online that discuss this (not to mention books on Guico Piano, etc.), but I'd like to see what everyone here thinks. Thoughts?

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Originally posted by Chesswick
I'm new here, but hopefully that's not that important.

I see this sequence a lot regardless of opening transpositions, but it usually spawns from one of the various Knight openings and/or Italian Game. The most obvious reply is simply 5. O-O, but that of course opens 5...Nxf2 6. Rxf2 Bxf2. If the reply isn't 5...Nxf2 then I stand to gain time with ...[text shortened]... uico Piano, etc.), but I'd like to see what everyone here thinks. Thoughts?

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Can you post the line again? I think it got cut off in the thread title.

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You're right, my apologies, I should have noticed...

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nf6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. d3 Ng4

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Have you thought about the line:
1. BC4xF7+ KE8xF7
2. NF3-G5+ KF7-E8 (this could vary)
4. QD1xG4

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Many thanks. I thought about trying to do that after seeing it in other threads. I'll do that next time.

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Originally posted by Chesswick
You're right, my apologies, I should have noticed...

1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nf6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. d3 Ng4

Thanks!
Well 5. Bxf7+ works as a nice tactic in this case. 5... Kxf7 6.Ng5+ wins a pawn and stops the threat. If 5... Ke7 then 6. Bg5 Nf6 is forced, and the threat is ended and you've won a pawn. If 5... Kf8 then 6. Bg5 Bxf2+ (every other reasonable move is a retreat that leaves you a pawn up) 7. Ke2 Nf6 8. Kxf2 Kxf7 8. Nxe5 and you're up two pawns.

But you can't rely on the above defense. There's a lot of similar situations where it doesn't work. Most of the time you should just castle. Your opponent makes a mistake by playing Bxf7+ Rxf7 Nxf7 Kxf7. Sure, it's 6 points to 6 points, but two pieces, especially in the middlegame, is better than a rook and a pawn. And also think about this. When he gives up his bishop and knight, the bishop had already made 1 move, and the knight 2. He's wasted a lot of time to make an inferior exchange.

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THanks for the great points and analysis ark!

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