Bishop Sac - and a sort of Rook sac

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I had a good win (for me at least) recently - against a higher ranked player (ok I was 1500 and he was in the mid 1600s - so not super high). Any way - I sacked a Bishop to open up the pawn in front of his King, which led to his game falling apart - he made and unexpected (and I think poor) move with 16 .. Nxe4. I think he was trying to get his Knight out, to use his Bishop and Queen - but it failed with my pawn move. Any thoughts here? Towards the end (move 21) I took his Bishop with my Rook, but I knew I'd get his Rook or Queen in the next 4 moves - leading to his resignation.

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Small Animal
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28 Sep '09 19:53
Nice win, well done.
Mad Rook
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28 Sep '09 20:04
Originally posted by CSHamilton
I had a good win (for me at least) recently - against a higher ranked player (ok I was 1500 and he was in the mid 1600s - so not super high). Any way - I sacked a Bishop to open up the pawn in front of his King, which led to his game falling apart - he made and unexpected (and I think poor) move with 16 .. Nxe4. I think he was trying to get his Knight o ...[text shortened]... 22. Rd6xg6 Kg8f7 23. Rg6g7 Kf7e8 24. Qh6c6 Ke8d8 25. Qc6xa8 1-0[/pgn]
I think I probably would have played 16...Nh7 to shore up my kingside protection and get the bishop and queen into the game.
CSHamilton
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28 Sep '09 20:09
Originally posted by Mad Rook
I think I probably would have played 16...Nh7 to shore up my kingside protection and get the bishop and queen into the game.
That's the move I was expecting - I had planned a few moves based on that. Maybe that's why he went with something else, occasionally doing something to baffle your opponent is good (in this case it wasn't).
Bioshock
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28 Sep '09 22:13
13..Nxe4?
AudreyxSophie
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29 Sep '09 00:14
10. f5, wa a poor move, your opponent missed Qb6, pinning and winning a piece, since Be3 ran into e5.

After 11 Be3 e5, the knight can,t move whitout allowing Qe3, (Sometime, you would like to able to take your own pieces 🙂..

He missed nxe4 at move 11 too, hard to see.

and you are right, after 16.. Nxe4, Black will get killed.

The bishop sacrifice was not so sound after Nh7 tought. maybe losing, but losing the knight allow f6 which directly win the game.

Don't try that f5 again, you'll lose a knight. and will not be happy.
heinzkat
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29 Sep '09 00:19
You are right about Qb6 but the sacrifice on h6 seems perfectly justified, especially since it gave the chance to Black to completely mess up, a chance he took with both hands.
AudreyxSophie
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29 Sep '09 00:57
it seem jutisfied, but I don,t think white has something after Nh7, move like that are often antidote to these sacrifice.

the variation goes on, but I doN,t find forced advatage for white, or anything, meaning, he has something for it, but not enough.
CSHamilton
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29 Sep '09 01:15
Yes I did miss the possibility of the Qb6 pin (of course he did too - so not horrible). I do need to watch those angle attacks from the Queen they will likely cause me pain down the road.

Anyway, if he had moved Nh7 - I would still have had some decent play (I took out two pawns, so a piece for two pawns while not ideal isn't bad). I could have gotten the Rook involved as well - and his King would have been semi-exposed. I think I still could have won it - but it would have been harder and taken longer.
greenpawn34
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29 Sep '09 01:34
Hi.

You will find the good guys slip in Kh1 before moves like f4 and
also Kb1 after 0-0-0 to avoid nasty things on the exposed King's flank.

Good game.

Sac on h6 was iffy-iffy but playable very brave.

His Nxe4 may have been a sly stab at trying to sneak in a Philidor
Legacy so he was gambling too.

Either that or he intended Bg5 and totally missed you now had a
Knight on e4 (I'd put money on that one - I know how these guys think).

He underestimated f6. I'd guess he was figuring on a Rook lift. d1-d3 - g3/h3.

What's a Philidor's Legacy? Well suppose you did try the
tempting Rook lift. 17.Rd3.

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CSHamilton
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29 Sep '09 01:43
Originally posted by greenpawn34
Hi.

You will find the good guys slip in Kh1 before moves like f4 and
also Kb1 after 0-0-0 to avoid nasty things on the exposed King's flank.

Good game.

Sac on h6 was iffy-iffy but playable very brave.

His Nxe4 may have been a sly stab at trying to sneak in a Philidor
Legacy so he was gambling too.

Either that or he intended Bg5 and to ...[text shortened]... Qb6+ 2. Kh1 Nf2+ 3. Kg1 Nh3+ 4. Kh1 Qg1+ 5. Rxg1 Nf2#
{Black mates} 0-1

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Thanks for the heads up Greenpawn

I've seen a Phildor style mate before (not had it happen to me fortunately) - those Knights can be deadly though.

I may not have "seen" the possibility but I killed it anyway :-) Maybe I was just the luckier gambler this time around.
Paul Leggett
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29 Sep '09 01:45
Originally posted by greenpawn34
Hi.

You will find the good guys slip in Kh1 before moves like f4 and
also Kb1 after 0-0-0 to avoid nasty things on the exposed King's flank.

Good game.

Sac on h6 was iffy-iffy but playable very brave.

His Nxe4 may have been a sly stab at trying to sneak in a Philidor
Legacy so he was gambling too.

Either that or he intended Bg5 and to ...[text shortened]... Qb6+ 2. Kh1 Nf2+ 3. Kg1 Nh3+ 4. Kh1 Qg1+ 5. Rxg1 Nf2#
{Black mates} 0-1

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Philidor's legacy- like Montezuma's revenge, you can run but you can't hide!

Sorry, it's teh cold medicine talking.

Paul
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29 Sep '09 01:48
I predict black can play 8...Nxe4

Also 9...h6 intending to take on e4 if the bishop retreats is possible i think.

It may be possible again on move 10... again but am too lazy to figure out the details.

11...e5 I suspect is poor although I`m not positive.
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29 Sep '09 07:312 edits
Originally posted by greenpawn34
Hi.

You will find the good guys slip in Kh1 before moves like f4 and
also Kb1 after 0-0-0 to avoid nasty things on the exposed King's flank.

Good game.

Sac on h6 was iffy-iffy but playable very brave.

His Nxe4 may have been a sly stab at trying to sneak in a Philidor
Legacy so he was gambling too.

Either that or he intended Bg5 and to Qb6+ 2. Kh1 Nf2+ 3. Kg1 Nh3+ 4. Kh1 Qg1+ 5. Rxg1 Nf2#
{Black mates} 0-1

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Can't he just play Re3 instead of Kh1? I know it's still lost for white, but there is at least no forced mate. Qe3 will also do.
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29 Sep '09 15:56
greenpawn34:
This 'Phildor' thing can't work here, as the rook on f2 can take the knight on f3,
if the queen takes f3 the other rook will mate on g3+.

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