Black to move and win

Originally posted by likeforest
very funny!! what were you looking so long and hard at? any black move will win the game. including any king move.

Not any move is a win. g6 seems to be the key move to avoid a draw, either as the next move or after a3

Originally posted by klopdisselboom
1...Qa7+ 2.Kg6 Kc5 3.h6 Kd6 4.h7 Ke6 5.h8=Q Qf7+ 6.Kh6 -black cannot check and white has the advantage

4...Qa1 wins for Black.

Originally posted by klopdisselboom
1...Qa7+ 2.Kg6 Kc5 3.h6 Kd6 4.h7 Ke6 5.h8=Q Qf7+ 6.Kh6 -black cannot check and white has the advantage

I disagree with you on that one. I think you didn't choose the king's best path...

Originally posted by ilywrin
4...Qa1 wins for Black.

Ah... And then 5...Qh8
Thanks!

Originally posted by adam warlock
I disagree with you on that one. I think you didn't choose the king's best path...

It's possible. What would you suggest? Also see ilywrin's solution which makes any further discussion a bit obsolete.

Thanks for all the replies and other solutions...

Originally posted by klopdisselboom
It's possible. What would you suggest? Also see ilywrin's solution which makes any further discussion a bit obsolete.

Thanks for all the replies and other solutions...

and i did thought about the other solution. But mine is a little bit more stretched and takes a lot more time and effort and depends on how white moves, but it seems to me that black still has the win. But i guess that i can explain better on the board because there's a lot of variations...

But the king should start with c4.

Originally posted by adam warlock
and i did thought about the other solution. But mine is a little bit more stretched and takes a lot more time and effort and depends on how white moves, but it seems to me that black still has the win. But i guess that i can explain better on the board because there's a lot of variations...

But the king should start with c4.

"and i didn't thought about the other solution.."

that's what i meant to say...

😳

Originally posted by adam warlock
Doesn't any move with the pawns win the game for black? And a3 being the fastest one...

No. 1...h6 draws. Every king move except Ka3 wins, as does g6 and a3. 1...a3 is not only the first move I looked at, it is the quickest and easiest win.

After 1...a3 2.Kf7, 2...g6 is best, but a2, Kc5, and Kc4 all win.

Originally posted by Wulebgr
No. 1...h6 draws. Every king move except Ka3 wins, as does g6 and a3. 1...a3 is not only the first move I looked at, it is the quickest and easiest win.

After 1...a3 2.Kf7, 2...g6 is best, but a2, Kc5, and Kc4 all win.

h6 draws?! Only if black doesn't know how to move. He has plenty of time and space. But how do you see a draw given best play by both players?

Originally posted by adam warlock
h6 draws?! Only if black doesn't know how to move. He has plenty of time and space. But how do you see a draw given best play by both players?

See the line given by Jusuh on page 1.

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
See the line given by Jusuh on page 1.

1...h6 2.g6 a3 3.Kf7 a2 4.Kxg7 a=Q+ 5.Kh7 qa2 6. Kh6 qg8 7. ...
And if 1...h6 2.g6 a3 3.Kf7 a2 4.Kxg7 a=Q+ 5.Kh7 qa2 6. Kg8 or h8 qa8+ and the just go checking the king diagonaly and getting closer...
I think that does it... Doesn't it?

Originally posted by adam warlock
1...h6 2.g6 a3 3.Kf7 a2 4.Kxg7 a=Q+ 5.Kh7 qa2 6. Kh6 qg8 7. ...
And if 1...h6 2.g6 a3 3.Kf7 a2 4.Kxg7 a=Q+ 5.Kh7 qa2 6. Kg8 or h8 qa8+ and the just go checking the king diagonaly and getting closer...
I think that does it... Doesn't it?

It seems to be a draw... hmmm

edit: No it's not! 😀

editing the edit: yes it is...😞

Originally posted by adam warlock
It seems to be a draw... hmmm

edit: No it's not! 😀

editing the edit: yes it is...😞

Do you still need some explanation, or are you satisfied?

Originally posted by Wulebgr
Do you still need some explanation, or are you satisfied?

Satisfied! I had to see it for myself. Now i understand why it is a draw.
Hope i didn't bother trying to understand something for myself... Geez!!!

Originally posted by adam warlock
Satisfied! I had to see it for myself. Now i understand why it is a draw.
Hope i didn't bother trying to understand something for myself... Geez!!!

Good enough, then. I found the post with two edits entertaining, and would have liked to see the lines each time you changed your views. 😉