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  1. 18 Oct '13 01:46
    Black is playing up the board. (so White is playing down the board.)
    Nothing fishy or tricky it is a normal chess position.

  2. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    18 Oct '13 04:55
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Black is playing up the board. (so White is playing down the board.)
    Nothing fishy or tricky it is a normal chess position.

    [fen]1K1Q4/P1N3P1/1Pq2P2/3P4/6p1/1p1b3p/1k2r3/6R1 w - - 0 1[/fen]
    1...Bh3 and if the N takes, Rd1 pins the Q.
  3. 18 Oct '13 09:37 / 3 edits
    I'm not convinced that Black is winning after SwissGambit's suggestion. Black wins a queen for a bishop and a rook and also picks up the b2 pawn. The 2 vs 1 pawn advantage on the queenside might be enough to swing it for him, but it's far from easy.
  4. Subscriber Paul Leggett
    Chess Librarian
    18 Oct '13 11:24
    Originally posted by Fat Lady
    I'm not convinced that Black is winning after SwissGambit's suggestion. Black wins a queen for a bishop and a rook and also picks up the b2 pawn. The 2 vs 1 pawn advantage on the queenside might be enough to swing it for him, but it's far from easy.
    I was thinking the same thing SG was. I'll need to look at this a little harder.
  5. 18 Oct '13 11:59
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    [hidden]1...Bh3 and if the N takes, Rd1 pins the Q.[/hidden]
    Seems like black can quickly thereafter pick up one of white's queenside pawns.
  6. Subscriber Paul Leggett
    Chess Librarian
    18 Oct '13 12:40
    Originally posted by Paul Leggett
    I was thinking the same thing SG was. I'll need to look at this a little harder.
    If white does not immediately capture the black rook on d1 and instead makes an intermediate check on b7 then black king moves become problematic because of the possible knight check on g5. If the king goes to f8, then Rf7+ basically trades rooks, which leaves black a piece up. I've seen this technique in rook endings to set up a stalemate.
  7. 18 Oct '13 13:40



    Is the f2 Knight overworked stopping both Bh3 and Rd1 or is it ideally placed?

    At best 1.....Bh3 draws. (Paul is on the right track).

    After years of getting caught in S.G's problems I may have finally caught him.

    (although I'm thinking perhaps he and Fat Lady had perhaps seen what
    I was up to and tried to lead you up the garden path.)

    The position was me playing over a game and shooting off on a fantasy trip.
    I got this position where the Bh3 trick worked.
    I then noticed the Rook b7+ idea (which failed.) so I re-jigged the position
    to make it work.

    It's a wee study in always looking deeper, past the final combination.

    Stick this one amongst a set of, shall we normal test positions and it
    will trip a few up.



    Variation II

  8. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    18 Oct '13 16:43
    Originally posted by greenpawn34


    [fen]1K1Q4/P1N3P1/1Pq2P2/3P4/6p1/1p1b3p/1k2r3/6R1 w - - 0 1[/fen]
    Is the f2 Knight overworked stopping both Bh3 and Rd1 or is it ideally placed?

    At best 1.....Bh3 draws. (Paul is on the right track).

    After years of getting caught in S.G's problems I may have finally caught him.

    (although I'm thinking perhaps he and Fat Lady had perhaps se ...[text shortened]... xf7 Ng5+ again.} 4... Qxf7 5. Qxd1 {In all lines Whiite comes out a piece (and pawns up.)}[/pgn]
    Yeah, you got me.

    Maybe ...g5!? and if Qf1, Rd2. There may be a nice defensive resource I am missing.