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  1. 21 Apr '11 12:13 / 1 edit
    I just wondered what people though the best resposes at club level were to stop/frustrate blackmar diemer gambit players getting their pet setup after pxf3 giving the open file for the rook.

    Also white can transpose into it from 1.e4 which is annoying.

    People can say that its 'unsound' etc but played by someone who knows it well I think its quite a tricky opening (especially in quick games) and black can find himself in big trouble if not careful.

    Thanks.
  2. Standard member nimzo5
    Ronin
    21 Apr '11 12:31
    Do you play the french?
    1.d4 d5
    2. e4 e6

    or of course
    1.d4 d5
    2. e4 c6

    guess you just need to decide what you want to play.
  3. Subscriber Ragwort
    Ex Duris Gloria
    21 Apr '11 15:25
    Try the Lemberger Counter Gambit

  4. 29 Apr '11 16:39
    To see a good listing of your options against the BDG, you can visit a site like the Open Encyclopedia of Chess Openings. This site sometimes has computer output accompanying the variations.

    As for specific variations to counter the BDG, the Fort Knox variation of the French Defense, Rubinstein Variation is solid and will take the wind out of a gambiteer's sails.

    Or you can just accept the gambit and choose the solid Ziegler Defense to the Blackmar-Diemer. Alternatively, the Bogoljubow Defense is also solid if you prefer to fianchetto your king's bishop.

    I hope this helps!
  5. Standard member atticus2
    Frustrate the Bad
    29 Apr '11 22:56
    'elgallo' & I have explored the BDG recently, aided by elgallo's book by Scheerer, recently published and regarded as the latest word.

    I think we took the view, in common with Scheerer, that Black accepts the gambit, and plays 5...c6, treating the opening as a Caro-Kann but a pawn up. Thereafter Black plays his B to f5 (best if available) or Bg4. White has it all to prove
  6. 30 Apr '11 00:04
    Originally posted by Ragwort
    Try the Lemberger Counter Gambit

    [pgn] 1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 e5 [/pgn]
    That's horrible lol, no offense

    The best way to counter it is with a c6 system and White is a pawn down.
  7. Standard member randolph
    the walrus
    30 Apr '11 04:41
    Originally posted by Maxacre42
    That's horrible lol, no offense

    The best way to counter it is with a c6 system and White is a pawn down.
    neither of these
  8. 30 Apr '11 15:25
    The Lagrange countergambit. 1.d4 d5 2.e4 dxe4 3.Nc3 e5 is the best way to play against the blackmar diemer gambit.
  9. 19 May '11 18:34
    Originally posted by Maxacre42
    That's horrible lol, no offense

    The best way to counter it is with a c6 system and White is a pawn down.
    In his book The Blackmar-Diemer Gambit Keybook, the Rev. Tim Sawyer says that statisically the Lemberger is one of Black's best defenses to the BDG. I am a BDG player, and I'm not real happy when my opponent plays the Lemberger.
  10. Standard member hunterknox
    Hopeless romantic
    19 May '11 19:23 / 1 edit
    I'm also a BDG player and over the board I find I usually end up with a fairly even position and a lot more time on my clock after a dozen moves or so after 3. e5. Happy to play some training games if anyone wants to try out their anti-BDG systems.
  11. 24 May '11 08:49
    Originally posted by plopzilla
    I just wondered what people though the best resposes at club level were to stop/frustrate blackmar diemer gambit players getting their pet setup after pxf3 giving the open file for the rook.

    Also white can transpose into it from 1.e4 which is annoying.

    People can say that its 'unsound' etc but played by someone who knows it well I think its quite a t ...[text shortened]... specially in quick games) and black can find himself in big trouble if not careful.

    Thanks.
    A game against the BDG. He owned the f-file (and my f7 square was a concern) for a while.

    But against the BDG, ride it out and ultimately enjoy the extra pawn. I am not sure why he did 19.Qc7. A really nice guy, by the way.

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