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  1. 19 Jun '11 03:37 / 1 edit
    When you play 'blind' or 'blindly' read a chess book, do you envision the board in two dimensions (as presented on this website), or three (as though a real board sitting before you on a table)?
  2. 19 Jun '11 05:08 / 1 edit
    I've never really thought of it, but since I play almost all my games
    online and all the books have two dimensional diagrams I'll go for that.

    I vaguely remember seeing video footage of the blindfold games at the
    Amber Tournament where the players would sit in front of a computer
    screen containing a blank chess board and type in their moves to each other.

    So for what it's worth I would loosely bet GM's and the like train imagining
    pieces moving in two dimensions too. Although it would be interesting if
    it worked out that the natural talent Capablanca saw in 3d while Nimzovich
    saw in 2d.

    I have no clue to why it would matter though.
  3. 19 Jun '11 17:36
    In my case, definitely two dimensions.
  4. 19 Jun '11 17:39
    Three, two for the board, and one for the beep telling me that I made an illegal move
  5. 20 Jun '11 07:11 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Erekose
    In my case, definitely two dimensions.
    Are you sure, how do you know, and what dimension do you dream in?
  6. 20 Jun '11 09:59
    Interesting stuff here; a blindfold simul.

    http://www.blindfoldchess.net/blog/2010/12/simultaneous_blindfold_fm_lang_plays_35_can_he_beat_najdorfs_world_record_o/

    The player says, and I can bear this out from my own experience, that he doesn't "see" chess pieces a such, but knows there is something on (say) a1 and knows it has to be a rook. Playing blindfold you do have a murky (in my case) sense of what is what and where it can go, but there is no crystal vision of a chess set as we know it.
  7. 20 Jun '11 13:02
    "... but knows there is something on (say) a1 and knows it has to be a rook. "

    However even OTB this 'something on a certain square ' can catch you out.

    I had this formation in an Allegro game v The Scottish International
    player Elaine Rutherford.



    I played a sac-sac combo v her castled Queenside, picked up the
    Rook on f1 to deliver Ra1+ and it turned into a Bishop right in front
    of my eyes. 0-1
  8. Subscriber Paul Leggett
    Chess Librarian
    20 Jun '11 13:41
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    "... but knows there is something on (say) a1 and knows it has to be a rook. "

    However even OTB this 'something on a certain square ' can catch you out.

    I had this formation in an Allegro game v The Scottish International
    player Elaine Rutherford.

    [fen]8/8/8/8/8/8/5PPP/5BK1 w - - 0 1[/fen]

    I played a sac-sac combo v her castled Queenside, ...[text shortened]... the
    Rook on f1 to deliver Ra1+ and it turned into a Bishop right in front
    of my eyes. 0-1
    Sometimes people find religion at very inconvenient times!
  9. 20 Jun '11 15:49
    Originally posted by Paul Leggett
    Sometimes people find religion at very inconvenient times!
  10. 21 Jun '11 12:48
    I had a game where my oppo had a Knight on g1 and K on g2.

    Later i played R- f3 (other R supporting it) quite pleased with myself, ... until he played Nxf3.

    I didn't see the horse hiding behind the King!

    arrgh!
  11. 21 Jun '11 14:30
    Originally posted by greenerpawn
    I didn't see the horse hiding behind the King!
    empires have fallen making the same mistake.
  12. 22 Jun '11 11:06
    Originally posted by greenerpawn
    I didn't see the horse hiding behind the King!

    arrgh!
    If it's any comfort, you're in good company. Grand masters have suffered from the same blunder.

    Richard
  13. 22 Jun '11 13:20
    Originally posted by Shallow Blue
    If it's any comfort, you're in good company. Grand masters have suffered from the same blunder.

    Richard
    Thanks SB, that's good enough for me.

    Might try it myself. I'll sneak into the club and shave all the Knights down a bit, hide the horse behind the King and tell him to keep quiet for a few moves and wait.
    Maybe it's easier to fatten the Kings up a bit. What do they like eating?
  14. 22 Jun '11 15:01
    Originally posted by greenerpawn
    I had a game where my oppo had a Knight on g1 and K on g2.

    Later i played R- f3 (other R supporting it) quite pleased with myself, ... until he played Nxf3.

    I didn't see the horse hiding behind the King!

    arrgh!
    Don't slouch at the board! Sit up straight, or better yet, lean over the board a bit. You gotta get that high angle to see everything clearly! Or if the table's too high, sit on a thick phone book.
  15. 22 Jun '11 15:13
    Originally posted by Mad Rook
    ... sit on a thick phone book.
    At last - a use for that BCO book!