Blind Swine

The following game from 1890 ended in a draw by repetition--continuous checks by the rooks. But, white has an extra pawn. Could he have done something with it?

I do not know the solution, but for sure I would torture black here, instead of offering a draw...

I remember reading somewhere that rook endings with an extra pawn tend to be drawn, yet they can be easily won with 2 rooks...

so with that in mind, lets not trade the rooks...


I would try: Rfc7+ Kd6 Rc5 R1g8 Rcb5 -- and now i dont think there is a way to prevent mate.

Originally posted by Shinidoki
I remember reading somewhere that rook endings with an extra pawn tend to be drawn, yet they can be easily won with 2 rooks...

so with that in mind, lets not trade the rooks...


I would try: Rfc7+ Kd6 Rc5 R1g8 Rcb5 -- and now i dont think there is a way to prevent mate.

I think it is a bit deeper, you have to watchout for black e5 break though

Originally posted by vipiu
I think it is a bit deeper, you have to watchout for black e5 break though

yep! --you posted that in the midst of me editing.....to solve problems though I often find it easier to play any old defence work out the threat, then find the better defence.



Edit: i light of the mate attack R1g8 must be inferior to the move e5

so...Rc5 e5 Rb6+ Kd7 [Ke7 Rc7+ Rd8 R6b7 exd5+ Kd2 1-0] Rxe6+ Kc8 Ree7

in both of these white ends with doubled rooks on the 7th with the king trapped on the 8th - if memory serves that should mate, or win a rook.

Originally posted by Shinidoki
yep! --you posted that in the midst of me editing.....to solve problems though I often find it easier to play any old defence work out the threat, then find the better defence.



Edit: i light of the mate attack R1g8 must be inferior to the move e5

so...Rc5 e5 Rb6+ Kd7 [Ke7 Rc7+ Rd8 R6b7 exd5+ Kd2 1-0] Rxe6+ Kc8 Ree7

in both of these white end ...[text shortened]... on the 7th with the king trapped on the 8th - if memory serves that should mate, or win a rook.

Instead of e5 or Rgg8, Ra1 seems to keep the mate threats at bay. (Rbc7 Ra6)

Originally posted by schakuhr
Instead of e5 or Rgg8, Ra1 seems to keep the mate threats at bay. (Rbc7 Ra6)

eh...here we go again 🙁


Rfc7+ Kd6 Rc5 Ra1 Rcc6 Rg6 now white wins a pawn.

this game position is well known,a winning solution for white is as follows--------rbc7+ kingb5 kd2 rb1 rb7+ kc6 kc2 re1 rfc7+ kd6 rg7 rc8 kd2 rb1 f4! there are alternative black moves to each of the white moves above however each of them also lead to a white win, eventually![after the certainty of many many moves!]

Originally posted by Wulebgr
The following game from 1890 ended in a draw by repetition--continuous checks by the rooks. But, white has an extra pawn. Could he have done something with it?

[fen]4r3/1R3R2/2k1p3/3p4/2pP4/2P5/1P2KP2/6r1 w - - 0 45[/fen]

I haven't looked at other replies but I reckon 1. Rb7-c7+ Kb6 2. Rc-e7 Rxe7 3. Rxe7 Rg6 4. f4 and the e5 push is blocked. White has much the better game and gets to march a pawn up the board.