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  1. Standard member ivan2908
    SelfProclaimedTitler
    12 Mar '08 11:18
    Well, that is something total different than CC.

    What do you guys play against 1. d4 (rather then d5 or Indian defence). I need something solid but not common so I can confuse my opponents a bit.
  2. 12 Mar '08 11:24
    im becoming a slav fan. slav for d4 caro-cann for e4.
  3. Standard member wormwood
    If Theres Hell Below
    12 Mar '08 13:46
    Originally posted by ivan2908
    Well, that is something total different than CC.

    What do you guys play against 1. d4 (rather then d5 or Indian defence). I need something solid but not common so I can confuse my opponents a bit.
    1...f5 leningrad dutch.

    it's great because you can play it against almost anything, and mostly the move order doesn't matter. you absolutely need to understand the Bg5 lines though, or you'll lose games very quickly. but when you do, they're just nice free tempos for you.
  4. 12 Mar '08 13:58
    Originally posted by ivan2908
    Well, that is something total different than CC.

    What do you guys play against 1. d4 (rather then d5 or Indian defence). I need something solid but not common so I can confuse my opponents a bit.
    1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5! very interesting...
  5. 12 Mar '08 14:16
    In addition to the Dutch (1.d4 f5) and Albin listed above (1.d4 d5 2.c4 e5):

    Budapest 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5.
    Czech Benoni 1.d4 c5 2.d5 e5
    Modern 1.d4 g6

    Then there's the Dzindzi-Indian 1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.Nc3 c5 4.d5 Bxc3+ 5.bxc3 f5. This is similar to the Pterodactyl / Rat openings, where you play g6,Bg7,c5,Qa5 against just about every white setup.

    If you're looking for unsound stuff, there's things like 1.d4 e5 2.dxe5 Nc6 3.Nf3 Qe7?! 4.Bf4?! Qb4+
  6. 12 Mar '08 18:18 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by ivan2908
    Well, that is something total different than CC.

    What do you guys play against 1. d4 (rather then d5 or Indian defence). I need something solid but not common so I can confuse my opponents a bit.
    Super-GM had great success for years with the Tchigorin Defense (1 d4 d5 2 c4 Nc6).

    Another dynamic defense that Black can play against almost any opening move other than 1 e4 is the Tarrasch Defense: ...d5, ...e6, ...c5 in some order. Black often is saddled with an isolated d-pawn in the main lines, but as compensation he gets active piece play.
  7. 12 Mar '08 18:22
    Originally posted by Adorea
    im becoming a slav fan. slav for d4 caro-cann for e4.
    One of my favorite repertoire books is "Black Defensive System for the Rest of your Chess Career" by GM Andrew Soltis. In the book, he recommends both the Slav versus 1 d4 and the Caro-Kann versus 1 e4. Against other openings, he generally advocates systems in which black puts pawn on d5 and c6, just like in the Caro-Kann and the Slav.
  8. Standard member nmdavidb
    I Drank What? ©
    12 Mar '08 18:23
    Originally posted by wormwood
    1...f5 leningrad dutch.

    it's great because you can play it against almost anything, and mostly the move order doesn't matter. you absolutely need to understand the Bg5 lines though, or you'll lose games very quickly. but when you do, they're just nice free tempos for you.
    I use this as well...but one that will really get em off guard is to play d6...then just go into whatever you want if they play c4...but if they play e4 then f5!

    The balogh is a very fun and tactical defense and if you know it and they don't...which most people don't...you stand a great chance of winning quickly.

    I even play it on here.

    Dave
  9. 17 Mar '08 23:37
    You can play 1...Nc6 against any first move by White. Raymond Keene and Byron Jacobs wrote a nice book called "A Complete Defense for Black" which has a ton of instruction and complete games starting with 1...Nc6.
  10. 18 Mar '08 02:14
    Originally posted by gaychessplayer
    You can play 1...Nc6 against any first move by White. Raymond Keene and Byron Jacobs wrote a nice book called "A Complete Defense for Black" which has a ton of instruction and complete games starting with 1...Nc6.
    another complete is 1 d3.... black can play 1...d6 in any opening, and therefore so can white.

    i have my own little twist on the mieses that i've been running...really enjoy it as it throws out all possibility of playing against a large database. Also, i've had a few "marcozy bind" type positions with it, without having an annoying pawn swap from c5.
  11. Standard member JonathanB of London
    Curb Your Enthusiasm
    18 Mar '08 19:43
    Originally posted by gaychessplayer
    ... Raymond Keene and Byron Jacobs wrote a nice book called "A Complete Defense for Black" which has a ton of instruction and complete games starting with 1...Nc6.
    It's not often you see "Ray Keene" and "nice book" together in the same sentence.
  12. 18 Mar '08 19:57
    Originally posted by JonathanB of London
    It's not often you see "Ray Keene" and "nice book" together in the same sentence.
    Ray Keene does the puzzles for the Times newspaper. Unfortunately many of his solutions are wrong, I have frequently told him so.

  13. 18 Mar '08 20:07
    Originally posted by JonathanB of London
    It's not often you see "Ray Keene" and "nice book" together in the same sentence.
    Yeah - I bought Raymondo's Complete Book of Gambits many years ago & recently found out that much of the text & analysis had been "borrowed" word-for-word by from other unacknowledged sources. There was a lawsuit & he had to pay damages.
    He's called "The Penguin" in certain circles. I don't necessarily think that's just because he wears a tux.
  14. 18 Mar '08 20:09
    With white, if you play 1/0, 1. f3 e5 2. Kf3 is quite good. Later you can play e3, attack the center with c4 and do other, similar stuff.
  15. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    18 Mar '08 20:12 / 2 edits
    In blitz playing white I often use setup 1.d4 2.Nf3 3.g3 4.Bg2 5.0-0. Also I` use this setup in some RHP games.

    With black against 1.d4 I`sometimes use Old Indian setup Nf6 - d6 - Nbd7 - e5 - Be7 - 0-0 - c6.

    Main advantage of these setups is that they are easy to learn.