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Can this game be won as black....

Can this game be won as black....

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or is it a dead draw?



Black to move

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I say black wins.

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Draw. Assuming White doesn't screw up.

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a typical draw

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Originally posted by Superman
or is it a dead draw?

[fen]6r1/8/8/5KB1/8/3k4/8/8 w - - 0 1[/fen]

Black to move
R + K v. B + K is a draw if the king with the bishop can avoid the losing corners.

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Which corner is the proper one?

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Originally posted by BlunderProne
Which corner is he proper one?
Since white has a dark squared bishop he needs to get to a light squared corner - i.e. h1.

That might confuse you - if the king stays in the center he should be fine too, he just has to make sure black doesn't force him to a dark squared corner.

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With best play from both sides its a draw, the ending for the defending side is quite easy to hold, a lot easier then for example Rook and Bishop vs Rook which is also a technical draw but harder to achieve for the defending side. check Vallejo-Miezis 2001 Leon to see how an experienced grandmaster is unable to hold .

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if I remember this right...If the white king reaches h1, then the bishop can just block checks going between g1 and h2

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Originally posted by YUG0slav
if I remember this right...If the white king reaches h1, then the bishop can just block checks going between g1 and h2
Beat you, read my posts above.

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Yes, and if the rook reaches the back rank while the bishop is on g1 its a stalemate

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But how could black force the king?

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Originally posted by Superman
But how could black force the king?
I'm not entirely sure he can, but if he finds a way to do it white has to be careful not to land on a1/h8.

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same way as you would in R+ K vs K, but its useless anyway cuz your king will come under check and once you cornered the king you cant
make progress, see posts above
( unless he makes a blunder)

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Originally posted by sannevssr
same way as you would in R+ K vs K, but its useless anyway cuz your king will come under check and once you cornered the king you cant
make progress, see posts above
( unless he makes a blunder)
It is not the same since the bishop blocks the way for oposition, then you cant force with your rook:



Here I need to move my king to the front of the white king so if white is to move he just moves 1.Kf4, and it is imposible for me to move Kd4.

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