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19 Sep 07
19 Sep 07
Originally posted by Monty348If your rating is 150 to 176 points higher than your opponent, a draw will cost you 7 points. You lose 0 points if his/her rating is within 10 points of yours.
seems like i lost 7 points after agreeing to a draw against a lower-rated opponent....am i imagining this? i didn't think any points were won or lost in a draw.
19 Sep 07
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In a game before, I was a bishop up against a once-1700 player, he had hundreds (yes, literally) of games and got timed out in all of them at once right after his/her vacation, and I lost 29 points just because of that. ironically, winning against a 1700 player would approximately get me that much points higher. this aspect of this rating system is completely illogical.
19 Sep 07
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Originally posted by diskamylWhen your and your opponents skill and rating go hand in hand then the rating system works like a charm.
In a game before, I was a bishop up against a once-1700 player, he had hundreds (yes, literally) of games and got timed out in all of them at once right after his/her vacation, and I lost 29 points just because of that. ironically, winning against a 1700 player would approximately get me that much points higher. this aspect of this rating system is completely illogical.
However, when someone is hefty overrated or underrated then you lose or win an unfair amount of points.
But the rating will eventually syncronize with your skill again, the rating system itself garantee this.
19 Sep 07
Originally posted by diskamylYou probably lost the 29 because his rating had bottomed out by the time your game came due. With your provisional rating (fewer than 20 games) you might see some abrupt ups and downs for a while.. but after you complete 20 games, the maximum you can lose in one game is 32 points, and that would be against a player rated 720 points lower than you. Actually, the system works pretty well. Check out FAQ in the Help section.
In a game before, I was a bishop up against a once-1700 player, he had hundreds (yes, literally) of games and got timed out in all of them at once right after his/her vacation, and I lost 29 points just because of that. ironically, winning against a 1700 player would approximately get me that much points higher. this aspect of this rating system is completely illogical.
19 Sep 07
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Originally posted by FabianFnaswell, at infinity, yes, it would syncronize with my skill again. but at this point, it's at least (I didn't calculate precisely how much my rating would go up if I had won that game while the opponent was still 1700) 60 points lower than what it should normally be.
When your and your opponents skill and rating go hand in hand then the rating system works like a charm.
However, when someone is hefty overrated or underrated then you lose or win an unfair amount of points.
But the rating will eventually syncronize with your skill again, the rating system itself garantee this.
winning and yet losing points doesn't make sense to me. there should be another way 🙂
19 Sep 07
Originally posted by diskamylUntil you have a non-provisional rating, your rating is simply an average.
well, at infinity, yes, it would syncronize with my skill again. but at this point, it's at least (I didn't calculate precisely how much my rating would go up if I had won that game while the opponent was still 1700) 60 points lower than what it should normally be.
winning and yet losing points doesn't make sense to me. there should be another way 🙂
Win = Opponents rating + 400
Lose = Opponents rating - 400
Draw = Opponents Rating
19 Sep 07
Originally posted by diskamylIf we compare your rating with your true skill, and say that +/- 16 poits is a fair approximation, then it does not take an infinity to regain an unfair amount of lost points, more like (say) half an infinity at the most. 🙂
well, at infinity, yes, it would syncronize with my skill again. but at this point, it's at least (I didn't calculate precisely how much my rating would go up if I had won that game while the opponent was still 1700) 60 points lower than what it should normally be.
winning and yet losing points doesn't make sense to me. there should be another way 🙂
In my rating, I win points by (unfair) timeouts and lose points by (unfair) blunders so it evens out quite well. I usually say that my rating is between 1550 and 1600. So 1580 +/- 16 points is my baseline.
19 Sep 07
Originally posted by zebanook, but I don't see the point. I didn't object to that. I just stated that I think there should be another way to sort this out.
Until you have a non-provisional rating, your rating is simply an average.
Win = Opponents rating + 400
Lose = Opponents rating - 400
Draw = Opponents Rating
19 Sep 07
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Originally posted by FabianFnasI see. if these things happen to everyone regularly, it's even for everyone anyway. I hadn't thought about that. I hope it does happen regularly then 🙂
If we compare your rating with your true skill, and say that +/- 16 poits is a fair approximation, then it does not take an infinity to regain an unfair amount of lost points, more like (say) half an infinity at the most. 🙂
In my rating, I win points by (unfair) timeouts and lose points by (unfair) blunders so it evens out quite well. I usually say that my rating is between 1550 and 1600. So 1580 +/- 16 points is my baseline.
19 Sep 07
Originally posted by Monty348To give an example that explains why - if I played the World Champion at chess, and we drew, that would be an AWESOME result for me, and a SHOCKING SHOCKING result for him, so you would expect the rating system to punish him and reward me. Would you not?
seems like i lost 7 points after agreeing to a draw against a lower-rated opponent....am i imagining this? i didn't think any points were won or lost in a draw.
The points won or lost are half what you would get for a victory for either player.
19 Sep 07
Originally posted by PolicestateNot so. If your opponent has the same rating as you, a win will give you 16 points but a draw gives you 0 points. If your rating is 100 points higher than the opposing player, a win is worth 12 points, a loss costs you 20, and a draw costs you 4.
To give an example that explains why - if I played the World Champion at chess, and we drew, that would be an AWESOME result for me, and a SHOCKING SHOCKING result for him, so you would expect the rating system to punish him and reward me. Would you not?
The points won or lost are half what you would get for a victory for either player.
19 Sep 07
Originally posted by HandyAndyYes you are correct, and I was talking boll***s. The first bit was helpful though, probably 🙂
Not so. If your opponent has the same rating as you, a win will give you 16 points but a draw gives you 0 points. If your rating is 100 points higher than the opposing player, a win is worth 12 points, a loss costs you 20, and a draw costs you 4.