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  1. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    06 Dec '12 13:18
    http://theforeigner.no/pages/news-in-brief/norway-chess-champion-magnus-carlsen-sets-new-rating-record-at-28574-beating-garry-kasparovs-28567/

    The caveat is it is only temporary, first he has to hold on to it long enough to reach the next rating list.
  2. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    06 Dec '12 13:30
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    http://theforeigner.no/pages/news-in-brief/norway-chess-champion-magnus-carlsen-sets-new-rating-record-at-28574-beating-garry-kasparovs-28567/

    The caveat is it is only temporary, first he has to hold on to it long enough to reach the next rating list.
    Well he's got a few tough opponents left in the classic, but my money is on him smashing it! 3.5/4 so far and i have to say i feel this is the best he's played since Nanjing 2009 (when he achieved a 3100 tournament performance against the strongest line up ever assembled..at the time).

    At 22, he's achieved so much! He's my bet to be the first over 2900. 🙂
  3. 06 Dec '12 15:28
    Does it really mean that much with the rating inflation? I mean don't get me wrong 2800+ is elite but isn't it about the disparity between Kasparov's rating and those below him that was sensational and not the number itself? Anyway if you adapt Kasparov's rating from his 1999 high of 2851 to 2010 it would be 2886.

    http://www.magnuscarlsenchess.com/elo_rating_kasparov_carlsen_comparison.php
  4. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    06 Dec '12 18:57
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    Does it really mean that much with the rating inflation? I mean don't get me wrong 2800+ is elite but isn't it about the disparity between Kasparov's rating and those below him that was sensational and not the number itself? Anyway if you adapt Kasparov's rating from his 1999 high of 2851 to 2010 it would be 2886.

    http://www.magnuscarlsenchess.com/elo_rating_kasparov_carlsen_comparison.php
    So the true test would be if Magnus gets to 2900, then there would be no doubt inflation or no. Hell, as young as he is and as far as he has come, he could get to 3000 before all is said and done. Maybe then he could start kicking engine butt.....
  5. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    06 Dec '12 19:05
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    So the true test would be if Magnus gets to 2900, then there would be no doubt inflation or no. Hell, as young as he is and as far as he has come, he could get to 3000 before all is said and done. Maybe then he could start kicking engine butt.....
    3000 isn't possible, by the time he reaches 2900 he'll be getting 1 or 2 points for beating a 2800. Fischer got to 2780 with a clear 100 point rating advantage over the number 2, but i'd be surprised if Magnus achieves a similar feet. It's possible, but he hasn't played any long World championship matches. Look at Anand against Gelfand, Anand won but lost 20 points off his rating because of all the draws...
  6. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    06 Dec '12 19:39
    Originally posted by Marinkatomb
    3000 isn't possible, by the time he reaches 2900 he'll be getting 1 or 2 points for beating a 2800. Fischer got to 2780 with a clear 100 point rating advantage over the number 2, but i'd be surprised if Magnus achieves a similar feet. It's possible, but he hasn't played any long World championship matches. Look at Anand against Gelfand, Anand won but lost 20 points off his rating because of all the draws...
    What would Bobby's rating be in today's dollars?
  7. 06 Dec '12 19:49
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    What would Bobby's rating be in today's dollars?
    That would be difficult if not impossible to calculate for a variety of reasons. He played in the pre computer era when he achieved his peak rating and he was so far ahead of his contemporaries that even in his time 2780 didn't really communicate his actual strength since there wasn't anybody strong enough for him to gain rating points from.
  8. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    06 Dec '12 20:12 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    What would Bobby's rating be in today's dollars?
    It's impossible to say. Bobby at what age?

    Chessmetrix has Fischer in the high 2800's in todays money...

    http://www.chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/PeakList.asp?Params=199510SSSSS1S000000000000111000000000000010100
  9. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    07 Dec '12 12:10
    Originally posted by Marinkatomb
    It's impossible to say. Bobby at what age?

    Chessmetrix has Fischer in the high 2800's in todays money...

    http://www.chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/PeakList.asp?Params=199510SSSSS1S000000000000111000000000000010100
    At his peak, 2780.
  10. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    07 Dec '12 12:25
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    At his peak, 2780.
    Yes at his peak that was his rating, chessmetrix attempts to account for inflation...
  11. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    07 Dec '12 15:09
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    http://theforeigner.no/pages/news-in-brief/norway-chess-champion-magnus-carlsen-sets-new-rating-record-at-28574-beating-garry-kasparovs-28567/

    The caveat is it is only temporary, first he has to hold on to it long enough to reach the next rating list.
    We know he trained with Kasparov and everyone knows they use the best computer chess engines in the world, so that should be no problem.
  12. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    07 Dec '12 15:18
    Originally posted by Marinkatomb
    Yes at his peak that was his rating, chessmetrix attempts to account for inflation...
    Chess ratings are only inflated on the internet.
  13. Standard member nimzo5
    Ronin
    07 Dec '12 16:45
    I still think Kasparov was more dominant relative to his era than Carlsen currently is- but Carlsen didn't have any of Kasparov's advantages either. What is interesting is that Carlsen seems to be pulling away from his rivals by the opposite method that Kaspy did. Kasparov's openings were so feared he could play bogus stuff, offer a draw, and then get it because his opponents were afraid of whatever he might have in his laptop.
    Carlsen wins by avoiding "edge" and just playing better moves, repeatedly. I suspect that Carlsen will hit 2900 but when he starts to age (say a decade from now?!?) he will rapidly descend from the chess olympus.
    We shall see I suppose.
  14. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    07 Dec '12 18:15
    Originally posted by nimzo5
    I still think Kasparov was more dominant relative to his era than Carlsen currently is- but Carlsen didn't have any of Kasparov's advantages either. What is interesting is that Carlsen seems to be pulling away from his rivals by the opposite method that Kaspy did. Kasparov's openings were so feared he could play bogus stuff, offer a draw, and then get it beca ...[text shortened]... cade from now?!?) he will rapidly descend from the chess olympus.
    We shall see I suppose.
    You have to compare them at the same age, Kasparov didn't dominate the ratings list at 22! Carlsen has far fewer events to play in too, the early 80's had a ton of top tournaments, what is there now? LCC, Bilbao, Tata, err...... the Olympiad? Errr.....i'm struggling, Dortmund? Is that still going??
  15. Subscriber 64squaresofpain On Vacation
    The drunk knight
    14 Dec '12 18:48
    YouTube

    "It's just about fighting, and in the end you always get what you deserve" - Magnus Carlsen