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  1. Standard member congruent
    Chess Player
    18 Jun '17 10:11
    I haven't been following things in the world of chess but reports of Carlsen losing/drawing kept showing up in my feeds. Levon Aronian won the tournament. Carlsen is World Champ but finished 9th out of 10th.

    Are we about to see a change in the chess rankings/standings?
  2. Standard member congruent
    Chess Player
    18 Jun '17 11:38
    Fascinating game

    Vladimir Kramnik vs Magnus Carlsen
    Altibox Norway (2017), Stavanger NOR, rd 7, Jun-14
    Italian Game: Classical Variation. Giuoco Pianissimo (C53) · 1-0

  3. Donation ketchuplover
    G.O.A.T.
    18 Jun '17 12:57
    Originally posted by congruent
    I haven't been following things in the world of chess but reports of Carlsen losing/drawing kept showing up in my feeds. Levon Aronian won the tournament. Carlsen is World Champ but finished 9th out of 10th.

    Are we about to see a change in the chess rankings/standings?
    Yes. I have risen 1 spot to 8 billionth in the world.
  4. Subscriber 64squaresofpain
    The drunk knight
    18 Jun '17 13:24
    Great to see Aronian winning these tournaments,
    perhaps we may finally see the Carlsen-Aronian championship match that world chess deserves.
  5. Standard member congruent
    Chess Player
    18 Jun '17 16:21
    Originally posted by 64squaresofpain
    Great to see Aronian winning these tournaments,
    perhaps we may finally see the Carlsen-Aronian championship match that world chess deserves.
    At the top it is the slightest % that may make a difference and Aronian is making the most of any breaks. The games are all a very high standard even the ideas of the losing side are strong.
  6. 19 Jun '17 05:04
    I don't know. I would love a Carlsen-Kramnik match. That would be a dynamic affair.
  7. Subscriber Paul Leggett
    Chess Librarian
    19 Jun '17 16:39
    Originally posted by Spectators
    I don't know. I would love a Carlsen-Kramnik match. That would be a dynamic affair.
    I had to give this a "thumbs up" because it made me chuckle-just as it was intended to do!

    On the flip side, they would definitely be great games to study, as they would be master classes on technique, provided they did not shake hands too early in many of them.
  8. 19 Jun '17 19:08
    Originally posted by Paul Leggett
    I had to give this a "thumbs up" because it made me chuckle-just as it was intended to do!

    On the flip side, they would definitely be great games to study, as they would be master classes on technique, provided they did not shake hands too early in many of them.
    Kramnik would have to have a match official accompany him to the bathroom during the match to make sure he wasn't cheating, as Team Topalov accused him of doing in his WC match against Topalov.
  9. 19 Jun '17 22:31
    Aronian vs. Carlsen
    June 10th, 2017
    Round 4

  10. 19 Jun '17 22:45 / 1 edit
    It's early to talk about Carlsen's fall.
    It may well be usual too-relaxed state of mind after won ch match.
    The same goes for Karjakin, but with reverse reason: it takes time to overcome lost ch match, sometimes such a player goes bananas.

    Anand and So showed decline and stagnation, respectively.

    Nakamura, though, was on his peak. He can't play better.

    Kramnik is now like Karpov 1994-5, living dead.

    The question is if Giri can make advance in his play since he is so young.
  11. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    20 Jun '17 13:36
    Originally posted by Spectators
    I don't know. I would love a Carlsen-Kramnik match. That would be a dynamic affair.
    Absolutely agree! Almost every game they have played has been really great to watch. That said, Kramnik might ramp up the boring stuff if he did make a final. As brilliant as his win over Kasparov was, it wasn't exactly exciting to watch.
  12. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    20 Jun '17 13:46
    Originally posted by congruent
    I haven't been following things in the world of chess but reports of Carlsen losing/drawing kept showing up in my feeds. Levon Aronian won the tournament. Carlsen is World Champ but finished 9th out of 10th.

    Are we about to see a change in the chess rankings/standings?
    I think we might very well see someone nip into the no.1 spot for a bit. I think Carlsen has taken a hit to his confidence after his lackluster WC match with Karjakin. He has been out of sorts for at least a year now. I suspect that the extra commitments placed on him as WC is distracting him from putting in the hours he did before gaining the title.

    Kramnik said that Carlsen needs to work on his openings, but i suspect that that is an area that he doesn't find particularly interesting. Perhaps he should do what Karpov did and hire a dedicated opening specialist to help him work on that area of his game.

    Looking at his losses over the last year or so, he hasn't actually played that badly. A lot of the losses are with black and are generally a result of excellent play by his opponents. I think every chess player has a dip like this, where the luck just doesn't quite fall your way. It is deeply frustrating (as we are ALL aware of i'm sure). Once your confidence dips it is very hard to turn it around. It is pure psychology. I'm sure he will be back.
  13. Subscriber venda
    Dave
    20 Jun '17 21:57
    I think there was something in this thread a while back about the chess players of old and the modern players.
    When you start talking about opening specialists for example(see above)and the enormous computer databases plus backroom analysts I think modern chess is less intellectually demanding than it was hundreds of years ago.
    I know we can't un invent technology but it has certainly changed most , if not all sports and I think it's quite sad.