Checkmate

Freddie2008

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23 Aug 06 17:52

Freddie2008

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London

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23 Aug 06 17:52

How many top level OTB games actually finish in checkmate nowadays? It seems very rare to find GM and IM games that actually reach checkmate. Why is this?

omulcusobolani

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23 Aug 06 18:10

Beacuae Gm's and Im's are smart enough to realize they are wasting thier time playing on in lost positions.

mazziewag

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23 Aug 06 18:12

and they rarely get to be in checkmating positions because a perfect game is a draw, and they dont make too many misstakes..

tomtom232

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23 Aug 06 18:27

Originally posted by mazziewag
and they rarely get to be in checkmating positions because a perfect game is a draw, and they dont make too many misstakes..

Actually with a perfect game white should win.

mazziewag

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23 Aug 06 18:33

im pretty sure chess is a theoretical draw, am i wrong?

omulcusobolani

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23 Aug 06 18:36

I'm pretty sure the game hasn't been solved yet, so it could be either way...maybe white is in zugzwang?

tomtom232

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23 Aug 06 18:36

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Originally posted by mazziewag
im pretty sure chess is a theoretical draw, am i wrong?

yes but that is when two humans play eachother perfect play has been agreed a win with any advantage no matter how slight and having the first move in a game is a slight advantage.

ThudanBlunder

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23 Aug 06 19:16

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Originally posted by tomtom232
yes but that is when two humans play eachother perfect play has been agreed to win with any advantage no matter how slight...

Who agreed to win?

tomtom232

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23 Aug 06 19:21

Originally posted by ThudanBlunder
Who agreed to win?

a win not to win. i.e has been agreed a win.

Shinidoki

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23 Aug 06 19:48

Mate in 3 - you see the mate in 3

Whats the point in carrying on?

BigDogg

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23 Aug 06 19:59

Originally posted by Freddie2006
How many top level OTB games actually finish in checkmate nowadays? It seems very rare to find GM and IM games that actually reach checkmate. Why is this?

GM's and IM's usually know if they're dead lost well before checkmate actually occurs. Against a player of similar caliber, there's no point in playing on.

BigDogg

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23 Aug 06 20:02

Originally posted by tomtom232
Actually with a perfect game white should win.

I'd like to see you prove it!

"I think it's almost definite that the game is a draw theoretically." -Bobby Fischer

ThudanBlunder

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23 Aug 06 20:09

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Originally posted by tomtom232
Actually with a perfect game white should win.

Obviously you can't prove it but what evidence do you have for this claim?

Freddie2008

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London

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23 Aug 06 20:26

How can anyone play the perfect game? Is that possible?

mazziewag

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23 Aug 06 20:28

no.. but in theory, there is a perfect game. which must be a draw. the advantage alone of being white isnt enough to checkmate with, and there is an advantage in going second, knowing what your replying to