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Ethical question here.

I'm playing a game on here and I think my opponent is following a certain game in a db.

Am I allowed to analyse the GAME IN THE DB using someone elses help/program/asking club memebers etc... and find improvement for that game and "if" my opponent continues following that game then I can get him?


To me this is sort of like, I play an otb game analyses it, have all the variations and then it just so happens then on Rhp an identical position occurs and I use my OTB game analyses. This is okay.

But my issue is with the timing. If I analyses a game before the Rhp game started then no big deal. But if I analyses the game during my Rhp game then i'm not sure?


What if I advance the db game several moves ahead and then start analysing then what?

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Originally posted by RahimK
Ethical question here.

I'm playing a game on here and I think my opponent is following a certain game in a db.

Am I allowed to analyse the GAME IN THE DB using someone elses help/program/asking club memebers etc... and find improvement for that game and "if" my opponent continues following that game then I can get him?


To me this is sort of like, I ...[text shortened]... ?


What if I advance the db game several moves ahead and then start analysing then what?
Sounds pretty slimy to me.

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No.

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
No.
So If I had analyses a game before the Rhp game started then it's okay.

But since the game has started already I can't analyses(ask others,etc...) other DB games with similar positions till the game is over? Is that right?

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Originally posted by RahimK
So If I had analyses a game before the Rhp game started then it's okay.

But since the game has started already I can't analyses(ask others,etc...) other DB games with similar positions till the game is over? Is that right?
I think so. otherwise you could always go seek a reference-game, even a low rated one as long as it fits, and analyse it to death with outside help.

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Originally posted by RahimK
So If I had analyses a game before the Rhp game started then it's okay.

But since the game has started already I can't analyses(ask others,etc...) other DB games with similar positions till the game is over? Is that right?
The word similar lacks precision, but that is how I understand it.

OTOH, I'm constantly reading books and analyzing games in certain openings--the French Defense, for example. Many of these games have similarities--central pawn structure, for example. I always seem to have a few going on RHP. However, I never find that I am seeking expert help or running an engine on a position identical to an RHP game, unless we are still "in book" (and I don't run my engines on book positions, except in very rare instances).

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Fair enough, I didn't like the idea of doing such a thing and thought it was wrong but just wanted to make sure.

Ugg... Well gotta start analysing the game my self then. Where did Jose Capablance go wrong? Up a pawn in a ruy exchange and he manage to lose the game.

Ugg... how am i suppose to find a move better then what Capa played? haha, near impossible.

Wish me luck 🙂

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Originally posted by RahimK
Wish me luck 🙂
Good luck.

Edit: Wait a minute. You're playing against a member of my clan. You will not find a better move than Capa played. No way. 😠

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
Good luck.

Edit: Wait a minute. You're playing against a member of my clan. You will not find a better move than Capa played. No way. 😠
You got your priorities wrong Wulebgr 🙂

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Originally posted by RahimK
You got your priorities wrong Wulebgr 🙂
At least it's not a clan match. 😉

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
At least it's not a clan match. 😉
So true.

Well looking at the info provided, the Capa game was a casual game. I don't think he was playing his "normal Chess". Meaning he wasn't trying as hard, because looking at the game, he get annilhated.

I could always throw in a move to get us away from that game down the line, shhhh.... our secret.

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Originally posted by RahimK
So true.

Well looking at the info provided, the Capa game was a casual game. I don't think he was playing his "normal Chess". Meaning he wasn't trying as hard, because looking at the game, he get annilhated.

I could always throw in a move to get us away from that game down the line, shhhh.... our secret.
Dr Lizardo Molina Carranza was president of the Club Argentino de Ajedrez, which organized the world title match in which Capablanca yielded his title to Aljechin. He is the man sitting at the far right of the photo at http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/pics/cn3428_alekhine_ceremony.jpg from Edward Winter's Chess Notes #3428.

My database has four casual games between Molina Carranza and Capablanca in 1911 and 1914. Capa won three.

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
Dr Lizardo Molina Carranza was president of the Club Argentino de Ajedrez, which organized the world title match in which Capablanca yielded his title to Aljechin. He is the man sitting at the far right of the photo at http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/pics/cn3428_alekhine_ceremony.jpg from Edward Winter's Chess Notes #3428.

My database has four casual games between Molina Carranza and Capablanca in 1911 and 1914. Capa won three.
I also got those 4 games but no notes or comments with them which I can use to find better moves.

I bet he my opponent is following that game on purpose. If you look at the game, I found like 12 games after Nf3. For him to play Bf4 and give up the 2 bishop advantage is very odd, for him to follow that up with Nh5 is very odd as well. I wouldn't be suprised if his next move was Qf6, whatever that does.

Blindly follow a game is disaster waiting to happen. Not saying he is but just generally.

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You know what? Following a game in a database move for move isn't playing chess.

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Originally posted by RahimK
I also got those 4 games but no notes or comments with them which I can use to find better moves.

I bet he my opponent is following that game on purpose. If you look at the game, I found like 12 games after Nf3. For him to play Bf4 and give up the 2 bishop advantage is very odd, for him to follow that up with Nh5 is very odd as well. I wouldn't be suprise ...[text shortened]... s.

Blindly follow a game is disaster waiting to happen. Not saying he is but just generally.
I've been following the games--yours and Capa's--but will hold my tongue until you are finished. One of you, Oscar and RK, will find a novelty and we'll see how it goes from there.

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