Originally posted by randolphI would imagine that the mods are now checking everyone else's match-ups from the final round, starting with the guy who finished 2nd.
Now it's time to award English Tal the '07 championship
That would be rational given the charade of the last few months with regard to the 2007 Champs.
Originally posted by SquelchbelchI was just thinking that nobody publicly accused E.T. of cheating in the 2007 tournament, so unless he was under investigation already they would award it to him.
I would imagine that the mods are now checking everyone else's match-ups from the final round, starting with the guy who finished 2nd.
That would be rational given the charade of the last few months with regard to the 2007 Champs.
Originally posted by NorrisBIf it was up to me and a few other ex-mods, it would have. Admins hold the final decision and stalled. I'm just glad they FINALLY made the right decision regardless how long it took them. This subject kept coming up as I mentioned before.
This should have been done months ago, but Im glad its resolved.
With luck it's a lesson to the admins not to let something like this happen again. Keep your fingers crossed.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitI will not be renewing my subscription because of the lengthy banning delays. A year is far too long. Of course, a delayed ban is clearly preferable to no ban for provably guilty players, and I'm very glad to see recent progress here.
If it was up to me and a few other ex-mods, it would have. Admins hold the final decision and stalled. I'm just glad they FINALLY made the right decision regardless how long it took them. This subject kept coming up as I mentioned before.
With luck it's a lesson to the admins not to let something like this happen again. Keep your fingers crossed.
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I have short list of other names that I'll be watching for (no-one I've played or am playing, I've not reported most of them, and no I won't be discussing which names even in PMs or off-site). Not all will be provably guilty but if they're all innocent I will print out all my losses and eat the paper. And I'll use LONG algebraic.
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Originally posted by Fat LadyThis is true the 2007 championships!
Something needed to be done about Cludi because he won the most important tournament of the year. Hopefully this win will now be awarded to someone else (this should be possible as it was never officially awarded to Cludi).
It would be nice if the same could be done with all the other tourneys banned people had won. Trouble is you would probably have to play most of them all over again, and as a mod had pointed out, what happens if you find another cheat among that bunch!
Originally posted by DawgHausi like your style my man. Not a taste of *fruitypie* to be found.
I have short list of other names that I'll be watching for (no-one I've played or am playing, I've not reported most of them, and no I won't be discussing which names even in PMs or off-site). Not all will be provably guilty but if they're all innocent I will print out all my losses and eat the paper. And I'll use LONG algebraic.
Originally posted by DawgHausJust keep in mind game moderation is not 'click and destroy'. It takes a while to run the games and gather extra evidence to be sure someone IS cheating.
I will not be renewing my subscription because of the lengthy banning delays. A year is far too long. Of course, a delayed ban is clearly preferable to no ban for provably guilty players, and I'm very glad to see recent progress here.
I have short list of other names that I'll be watching for (no-one I've played or am playing, I've not reported most of ...[text shortened]... innocent I will print out all my losses and eat the paper. And I'll use LONG algebraic.
Cludi is a different case all together. Him having been a game mod mixed with him leaving the site made the admins think they could just let it die. It would not die, so they were finally forced to make the right decision.
Seems we're back to a rate of 6 or so bans a month, and that is a good clip. It will never be 20 bannings in a day, due to the work they must be doing in checking. The worst would banning someone without doing the required leg work to ensure they know 100% the user is a cheat.
I ask you to send the names, one a day. I've sent any names I believe and 2 or so were removed. Others will come I hope. No sense in complaining things are not fast enough or the right players are not being banned if you're not sending in a name.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitLooks like someone has done the semi decent thing 😛
with him leaving the site made the admins think they could just let it die. It would not die, so they were finally forced to make the right decision.
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Originally posted by PhlabibitAbsolutely. I'm no advocate of witch hunts. It does take a while and it should.
Just keep in mind game moderation is not 'click and destroy'. It takes a while to run the games and gather extra evidence to be sure someone IS cheating.
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Not all of the cheats cheat for the same reason(s). Some want tournament wins or clan wins, some want to be on top of the rating list or the most active list, some like beating people without effort, some might want to "make it even" vs. others who they think are also cheating, some might want to hold on to their rating in the face of an increasing gameload, and for some it's a form of griefing.
Since we already have had a decent number of 3(b) bannings, it ought be possible for some particularly clever math boffins to build models of what cheating play looks like (in terms of ratings graph, speed of play, gameload, etc.) and contrasting models for non-cheating play. I don't presume to know what these would be. There are a great many legitimate play styles, blunder-patterns, etc. Models of this kind could be used for initial checking, to see if any new candidates fit into an established profile. No move checking would be needed at this stage.
Perhaps this is overkill, or perhaps it's already being done. There will always be minor cheats that escape detection beyond household mirrors (deep down they'll always know their achievements were faked). But these aren't the kind of cheats that disrupt play so strongly for everyone else.