1. under your bed
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    03 Jul '11 22:45
    Anyone recommend defences for black that normally lead to attacking whites king (a big ask I know).

    Thanks.
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    03 Jul '11 22:46
    1.d4 d5
    2.c4 e5!
  3. e4
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    04 Jul '11 02:39
    You must really be worried about 1.d4.

    Game 8535600 You as Black resigned here. (Why......fed up?)



    All Black 'defences' should be aimed at attacking White Kings.

    If there was such an opening for Black then Alekhine, Fischer, Tal
    would have put their stamp on it years ago.

    The Tarrasch commits you to going for the attack from an early stage.
    You get an IQP (big deal) You get freedom for your pieces and you know
    any endgame will see you toiling so you have to put on the middle game
    kicking boots
  4. under your bed
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    04 Jul '11 08:181 edit
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    You must really be worried about 1.d4.

    Game 8535600 You as Black resigned here. (Why......fed up?)

    [fen]rnbqkb1r/pp3ppp/2p2n2/3p2B1/3P4/2N5/PP2PPPP/R2QKBNR w KQkq - 0 5[/fen]

    All Black 'defences' should be aimed at attacking White Kings.

    If there was such an opening for Black then Alekhine, Fischer, Tal
    would have put their stamp on it ...[text shortened]... know
    any endgame will see you toiling so you have to put on the middle game
    kicking boots
    ..that's a really helpful response - the game I resigned is because i'm already playing an identical semi-slav against the same person. Instead of making arbitrarily smug responses maybe you should look a bit deeper next time.. 😉

    (am now playing the VHS of the Tarrasch)

    Obviously you want to aim to attack the king but a lot of QGD are focused on attacking the queenside.
  5. gumtree
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    04 Jul '11 08:36
    Originally posted by plopzilla
    Anyone recommend defences for black that normally lead to attacking whites king (a big ask I know).

    Thanks.
    King's indian Defence allegedly leads to kingside attacks for black. Whether or not they are "crushing" depends on the two players involved at a guess.
  6. e4
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    04 Jul '11 10:28
    Originally posted by plopzilla
    ..that's a really helpful response - the game I resigned is because i'm already playing an identical semi-slav against the same person. Instead of making arbitrarily smug responses maybe you should look a bit deeper next time.. 😉

    (am now playing the VHS of the Tarrasch)

    Obviously you want to aim to attack the king but a lot of QGD are focused on attacking the queenside.
    OK.
  7. Donationketchuplover
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    04 Jul '11 11:19
    what about the queens indian defense?
  8. Houston, Texas
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    04 Jul '11 15:40
    Originally posted by plopzilla
    ..that's a really helpful response - the game I resigned is because i'm already playing an identical semi-slav against the same person.
    Why not play both games. Good opportunity to try two nuances in the same variation.
  9. e4
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    04 Jul '11 16:11
    Originally posted by ketchuplover
    what about the queens indian defense?
    Queen’s Indian, King’s Indians, Red Indians.

    ALL openings have the capability to turn into a heavy attack
    on the King and all so call sharp and tactical openings can
    turn into long wood shifting probing games.

    Take as an extreme example the barren wastes of the Exchange French.

    1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5


    Yes at the good guys level such an opening promises very little
    but most on here are not at the good guys level.

    I have 7,048 games from this position on here.
    White wins - 2690 draws - 1073 Black wins - 3285.
    16% of the games were drawn. And look at that Black plus.

    Yet the head nodders all agree The Exchange French is a clear draw.
    I’ve even seen posts with players saying they have given up the
    French because of the Exchange Variation.

    My last blog featured Blackburne.
    I can link him with this opening and an idea.

    Englisch v Blackburne, London 1883
    (this is a replayed game after a draw. - see the blog)



    So Blackburne was a tricky player.
    Yes but was also well read. He possibly got the idea from:

    Zukertort v Potter London 1875.



    This position.


    Has appeared on here a few times. Most Black’s here have gone for 8…Be6
    holding the d-pawn. 8…Bg4 is definitely worth a try at this level.
    It caught Zukertort and Englisch two very good chess players.

    The players here were in the draw frame of mind. Such is the dangers of giving
    openings tags. You have to take what is front of you and not what you have heard.

    Here is a White idea.


    White instead of 8.Bg5 sneak out 8.Bd2. and if the tempting 8…Bg4 then 9.Bg5!


    Same position but with Black to play.
    Black has seen you play 3.exd5 and now Bd2 and Bg5 so he has you down as an idiot.
    9…Bxf3 10.Qxf3 Nxd5 (there goes the pawn) 11.Qh3 (here comes the attack.)


    Just an idea. A trick, a trap, a joke with a punch line that bites.

    Feel swapping ideas like this (no matter how naff they are) are better than
    tossing opening names at each other.

    Also digging about in these old games often bring up something that time
    has passed by not to mention the fact you are studying a game looking for
    ideas and enjoying every minute of it.
  10. SubscriberPaul Leggett
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    04 Jul '11 16:12
    Originally posted by moon1969
    Why not play both games. Good opportunity to try two nuances in the same variation.
    I was thinking exactly the same thing. Resigning ( or more appropriately, quitting) a game like that simply because another one is in progress with the same first few moves is unusual behavior, and questionable as a strategy to get better.

    I think GP's question and point was honest, and the smugness part is merely the interpretation of the OP.
  11. SubscriberPaul Leggett
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    04 Jul '11 16:18
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Queen’s Indian, King’s Indians, Red Indians.

    ALL openings have the capability to turn into a heavy attack
    on the King and all so call sharp and tactical openings can
    turn into long wood shifting probing games.

    Take as an extreme example the barren wastes of the Exchange French.

    1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5

    [fen] rnbqkbnr/ppp2ppp/8/3p4/3P4/8/ ...[text shortened]... o mention the fact you are studying a game looking for
    ideas and enjoying every minute of it.
    I have always questioned the idea that we can remove both e-pawns, advance both d-pawns two squares, and suddenly it's a draw.

    It seems to me that an open file, flexible room for the deployment of pieces and pawns, and full piece material for both sides should be fertile opportunity for one or both players to mix it up.
  12. Jerusalem
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    04 Jul '11 17:42
    Originally posted by plopzilla
    Anyone recommend defences for black that normally lead to attacking whites king (a big ask I know).

    Thanks.
    Sure!
    1. Dutch Leningrad (..f5!, nf6, g6, bg7, d6, 0-0) very good because white has to attack your Q-side and it's hard for players of our level
    2.King’s Indian
    Good luck!
  13. e4
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    05 Jul '11 13:06
    Forgot to add this game to the last post.
    It has a very nice instructive point.

    Remember this postion. White to play


    The trap is 9.Bxf6 Qxf6 and if 10 Nxd5 Qh6 and the attack is on.

    tiwonge - klopdisselboom RHP 2008 in the above position
    went for it in reverse and played 9.h3 Bxf3 10.Qxf3 Nxd4


    No attack as White does not have Qh3. 🙂

    The game progressed and this position was reached. White to play


    White played 16.Rfb1 to save the a-pawn.
    This lost the exchange by force - see the game.

    I think if White had sacced the a2 pawn.

    16.Rab1 Qxa2 17.Bc4!


    Queen moves Rxb7.

    White has the makings of an opposite coloured Bishop attack on f7.
    Anyway it was better than what was played.

    In the game the pawn was saved but the exchange was lost.

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