Darn it

http://www.redhotpawn.com/core/playchess.php?gameid=9517076&cbqsid=23705

Originally posted by RBHILL
http://www.redhotpawn.com/core/playchess.php?gameid=9517076&cbqsid=23705

I guess you already know that 32.Bf2 was your big mistake. Too bad.
You should have continued with your plan by playing 32.c5.

The Instructor

Hi RJ.

And the idea behind 25...Qh7 was?

RBHILL - Swiss Toni RHP 2013

Originally posted by greenpawn34
Hi RJ.

And the idea behind 25...Qh7 was?

RBHILL - Swiss Toni RHP 2013

[pgn]
[Event "Longhaul Octet"]
[Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2012.09.09"]
[Round "1"]
[White "RBHILL"]
[Black "Swiss Toni"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "1168"]
[BlackElo "2151"]
[EndDate "2013.07.27"]
[WhiteRating "1168"]
[BlackRating "2151"]
[GameId "951 4 Rxb4 30. Qxb4 Kh7 31. Be3 Ra2 32. Bf2 Rxe2 33. Rxe2 Qxf3 0-1
[/pgn]

I think Black played 25... Qh7 to make sure the h3 pawn was protected in anticipation of White playing 26.g4 blocking off the protection by Black's bishop. What do you think? He probably did not consider the idea of sacrificing his bishop at that time.

The Instructor

I'm not too sure if g4 is a move here.


Bxg4 looks very playable, White cannot play fxg3.
Maybe White after Bxg4 has Rg1. It look interesting.

I'm thinking Qh7 was played to tempt g4 now Bxg4 and Qxg4 is no longer on.
Maybe he had g7-g5 intentions or playing the Bishop to c6. .

I've met Kyle (Swiss Toni), kicked his a@@ 5-0 over a few beers in a Manhattan bar, I will ping him and ask him to come on here and contribute...

Originally posted by st40
I've met Kyle (Swiss Toni), kicked his a@@ 5-0 over a few beers in a Manhattan bar.....

Got that right. I got totally owned.

This was a great game with RBHILL. Could have gone either way for large stretches. Will post my notes on the game if you like but don't know how to do any of that board-posting milarkey.

Note to any others in the NYC area - I'm always keen to meet for a beer and a few games. Have met some great people on this site and have had some great games. And some great beers.

Swiss

Send me your notes and I will put them into the movey game thingy

ST

Originally posted by greenpawn34
I'm not too sure if g4 is a move here.

[fen]1r4k1/2pb1pp1/3p2q1/2p5/2P5/1P1P1PPp/r2BP2K/1RQ1R3 b - - 0 1[/fen]
Bxg4 looks very playable, White cannot play fxg3.
Maybe White after Bxg4 has Rg1. It look interesting.

I'm thinking Qh7 was played to tempt g4 now Bxg4 and Qxg4 is no longer on.
Maybe he had g7-g5 intentions or playing the Bishop to c6. have me pouring over the postiion for hours trying to figure out what was happening.}[/pgn]

It is not White's move in this position and I was only speculating on a possible reason why Black played 25...Qh7 in answer to your question. I know 26.g4 would not be good. However, since Black had over 80 games going, he may not have spent much time analyzing this game and, as I had said, did not see the possibility of the bishop sacrifice and wanted to make sure his pawn was protected from capture by the White King.

What you speculate may be right I don't know, but it did not happen. So I guess only Swiss Toni knows for sure.

The Instructor

Hi Rj

I know it's not White to play here but with Black to play
you have to consider what White may play next.


I don't think White is threatening g4.

After Black played Qh7.


I got the 'twinge'.

The good guys will know what I mean, that unexplainable moment when
the inner eye spots something. it could be a combination is, a blunder,
a trap, sometimes it's nothing.
That is when you plunge into the think tank and look for what ever it was
that sparked you off.

They don't scan the board for 10-15 minutes every move looking for shots.
They stop when there is a flag, a signpost, that hidden tap on the shoulder.


That Black King has no flight squares and there are two unprotected Black
Rooks on the board. That is what done it.

I was looking for a backfire trick waiting for White to fall into if he
tries to take advantage of the loose Rooks.
I can see nothing other than perhaps a 'tempt' to get White to play g4.

Swiss Toni is a nice and tricky player so it bugged me.

I was that desperate I even considered he was going to play Kh8-and Qg8
eventually playing Qa8 to set up Alekhines Gun on the a-file.

Originally posted by greenpawn34
Hi Rj

I know it's not White to play here but with Black to play
you have to consider what White may play next.

[fen]1r4k1/2pb1pp1/3p2q1/2p5/2P5/1P1P1PPp/r2BP2K/1RQ1R3 b - - 0 1[/fen]
I don't think White is threatening g4.

After Black played Qh7.

[fen]1r4k1/2pb1ppq/3p4/2p5/2P5/1P1P1PPp/r2BP2K/1RQ1R3 w - - 0 2[/fen]
I got the 'twinge'.

Th ...[text shortened]... oing to play Kh8-and Qg8
eventually playing Qa8 to set up Alekhines Gun on the a-file.

I have never played Swiss Toni, so I was not aware of how tricky he was. You could be right that he was not even considering the possibility of White playing 26.g4 at all because of the bishop sacrifice. However, I do not see any sense in moving 25...Qf7 other than to put more protection on the pawn, so perhaps he could free his bishop to go to c6 or just as a waiting move to see what White would do next, since White has no undefended targets that he could aim at.

I would probably have doubled the Rooks on the open file as a waiting move and made sure I kept the draw in hand.

The Instructor