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Dave Tebb v. IronMan31

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I stated in another thread that these two top players at RHP have never played (at least in IM's present incarnation). They are playing now in the 1 day clan leagues and the games are in late opening and/or early middlegame. The games are Game 822060 and Game 821900. Ironman is playing the Black side of a Ruy Lopez and Dave has adopted his usual Sicilian Najdorf. The games both look pretty even to me and I wouldn't be surprised to see two draws. Just thought some people might be interested.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
I stated in another thread that these two top players at RHP have never played (at least in IM's present incarnation). They are playing now in the 1 day clan leagues and the games are in late opening and/or early middlegame. The games are Game 822060 and Game 821900. Ironman is playing the Black side of a Ruy Lopez and Dave has adopted his u ...[text shortened]... me and I wouldn't be surprised to see two draws. Just thought some people might be interested.
Forgive me if I sound a tad confused, but what exactly the type of Sicilian Tebb played? Because I don't think that's a Narjdof. I thought on a Narjdof you have a non-fianchettoed king bishop, usually on e7, knights on f6 and d7, queen developed early on c7, push queenside pawns (minority attack, vocal plan), and perhabs fianchetto the queen's bishop. Also, most Narjdof players eventually play e5. e6 and d6 is a Schevinghan like pawn formation. (spelling bad) If Tebb played a6 and b6, it would be a hedgehog Sicilian. This doesn't look like any Sicilian I've seen or read about, it seems to be a Sicilian system adopted by Tebb himself.

Nothing wrong with that, I do the same thing, the Taimanov you normally play a super early Qc7 after Nc6, and if he attacks your queen with the knight, you move Qb8, but personally I think the queen is better on it's original d8 square where it can support d5!

Looks like Tebb isn't playing a quiet black game here, I'm sorry, I can't comment further as they are in progress, heck, I've already probably broken that rule by trying to figure out publicly what Sicilain Tebb is playing, oh dear me. . .

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Originally posted by mateulose

Looks like Tebb isn't playing a quiet black game here, I'm sorry, I can't comment further as they are in progress, heck, I've already probably broken that rule by trying to figure out publicly what Sicilain Tebb is playing, oh dear me. . .
Well,I guess that Ironman knows what kind of sicilian Tebb is playing even without your so-called-comments............

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Originally posted by mateulose
Forgive me if I sound a tad confused, but what exactly the type of Sicilian Tebb played? Because I don't think that's a Narjdof. I thought on a Narjdof you have a non-fianchettoed king bishop, usually on e7, knights on f6 and d7, queen ...[text shortened]... figure out publicly what Sicilain Tebb is playing, oh dear me. . .
I have pointed out before that you don't have a clue about the Sicilian and yer ignorance continues to show. The first five moves in the game as played by Dave are the Sicilian Najdorf, period. The bishop is on e7, the e pawn is not normally played to e5 unless in response to Be2 or Be3. Please don't post regarding the Sicilian again as you don't know what you're talking about and may confuse less experienced players.

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Originally posted by no1marauder
I have pointed out before that you don't have a clue about the Sicilian and yer ignorance continues to show. The first five moves in the game as played by Dave are the Sicilian Najdorf, period. The bishop is on e7, the e pawn is not normally played to e5 unless in response to Be2 or Be3. Please don't post regarding the Sicilian again as you don't know what you're talking about and may confuse less experienced players.
Funny, according to IM Kopec the Narjdof involves developing a knight on d7 and f6, but I guess Marauder knows better then some IM who's played it for 40 years.

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Looks like Ironman has a tight game going against MissionImpossible too..
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Originally posted by mateulose
Funny, according to IM Kopec the Narjdof involves developing a knight on d7 and f6, but I guess Marauder knows better then some IM who's played it for 40 years.
If you want to check a database, you'll see that 6 f3 is a rather unusual 6th move for White. The move 6 ...... Qb6 in response has been used by Kasparov and quite often recently, by Judith Polgar. The databases characterize the moves as B90 in the ECO Opening codes which is the Najdorf. PM Dave Tebb and ask him what he's playing.

EDIT: In checking thru the databases I use, I am unable to find a single game where a player named Kopec played the Najdorf. Perhaps you could provide some game links to such games that IM Kopec has played for "40 years".

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Originally posted by no1marauder
If you want to check a database, idiot, you'll see that 6 f3 is a rather unusual 6th move for White. The move 6 ...... Qb6 in response has been used by Kasparov and quite often recently, by Judith Polgar. The databases characterize the moves as B90 in the ECO Opening codes which is the Najdorf. PM Dave Tebb and ask him what he's playing or bette ...[text shortened]... put in his name as Black and see what you pull up; in response to 1 e4 they'll all be Najdorfs.
no1marauder is correct.

My database has 158 games after 6.f3 Qb6, which certainly puts it in the infrequent category.

Look at http://www.chessarch.com/library/0000_eco/b60_b99.shtml if you're still confused about opening classification.

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Originally posted by mateulose
Funny, according to IM Kopec the Narjdof involves developing a knight on d7 and f6, but I guess Marauder knows better then some IM who's played it for 40 years.
Im guessing you mean Danny Kopec, I wasnt aware that he wrote opening books?

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Out of interest, I have found that the Sicilian Najdorf game here was played by Sang Cao vs Robert Ruck in the 53rd Hungarian Championships 2003 up to move 10. It ended up as a drawn game. πŸ™‚

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1264184

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Originally posted by Grayeyesofsorrow
Im guessing you mean Danny Kopec, I wasnt aware that he wrote opening books?
He does, most of his books and vedios are about the Sicilian, he seems to be a sepcialist at it, if he doesn't play it during his games recently, the only explanation I can think of is he's perhabs experimenting with other openings.

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Originally posted by mateulose
He does, most of his books and vedios are about the Sicilian, he seems to be a sepcialist at it, if he doesn't play it during his games recently, the only explanation I can think of is he's perhabs experimenting with other openings.
You didn't say he played the Sicilian, you said he has played the Najdorf for "40 years". I've got 78 games with Danny Kopec as Black in the Chessgames.com database and there's quite a few Sicilians (mostly Classicals or Accelerated Dragons) but NOT ONE SINGLE NAJDORF! I know you don't know the difference but I assure that I and the people at Chessgames.com do. So I simply ask you to stop confusing less experienced players by pretending you know what a Najdorf is when you obviously don't.

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So I simply ask you to stop confusing less experienced players by pretending you know what a Najdorf is when you obviously don't.
Yeah - stop confusing us mateulose - you don't know how it feels to be.... you'll never understand why I get so... it's not fair there's all these sucky players.... they beat me so badly... general rant... blah blah blah!

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To update, both of the games between these two great players ended in draws. The game links are in the first post.

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