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Neither do I! This is a skittles game I played the other night.
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| 1. | e4 | c5 |
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| 2. | Ng1f3 | d6 |
| 3. | Nb1c3 | Nb8c6 |
| 4. | Bf1b5 | e5 |
| 5. | d3 | Ng8f6 |
| 6. | Bg5 | Qb6 |
| 7. | Bxf6 | gxf6 |
| 8. | Nd5 | Qa5 |
| 9. | Nd2 | Be7 |
| 10. | Qf3 | Qd8 |
| 11. | Nc4 | a6 |
| 12. | Ncb6 | Rb8 |
| 13. | Nxc8 | Rxc8 |
| 14. | Bxc6 | bxc6 |
| 15. | Ne3 |
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Originally posted by tomtom232There's only one question here (in the title), and it's rhetorical.
Neither do I! This is a skittles game I played the other night.
[pgn]1. e4 c5 2. Ng1f3 d6 3. Nb1c3 Nb8c6 4. Bf1b5 e5 5. d3 Ng8f6 6.Bg5 Qb6 7.Bxf6 gxf6 8.Nd5 Qa5 9.Nd2 Be7 10.Qf3 Qd8 11.Nc4 a6 12.Ncb6 Rb8 13.Nxc8 Rxc8 14.Bxc6 bxc6 15.Ne3[/pgn] My opponent resigned here... there isn't a forced win he was just frustrated that I didn't let him get his sicilian and his position is quite ugly.
So...
OK, thanks for sharing!
Originally posted by tortenI don't think white's N is worth more than a R but I do like it better than black's B, especially in the current position. Black's B could help him later in supporting his weak pawn structure, but white's N has nice mobility and black's B doesn't currently have much scope.
Black is not to be envied but resignable?I don't think so.Not yet
maxacre
I don't see how white's knight is worth more than a rook.What's the rationale behind that?
Unless I have the B pair, I generally like to have the N instead of the B. There are exceptions, of course.
The position is strategically lost but not resignable. If it was just a skittles game I can understand not wanting to suffer. The problem is that black will never be able to achieve f6-f5 which is the break which will get his central pawns rolling and liberate his bishop. Instead white is going to anchor his knight to f5 and black will be tied down to the defense of the d6 pawn.
The position is actually quite interesting because under slightly different circumstances black could easily be better. If white's pieces were undeveloped and black had the opportunity to play f6-f5 and open up the game he'd be fine. Instead they both restrain f5. Also if black had a knight on e7 instead of that lame bishop he might have chances.
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Originally posted by tortenI wouldn't have resigned wither, but what I meant by that is that after white occupies the white square in front of the double pawns, it completely cramps the black position and the only way for black to get rid of it is by trading a rook for it, and he'll probably have to in my opinion.
Black is not to be envied but resignable?I don't think so.Not yet
maxacre
I don't see how white's knight is worth more than a rook.What's the rationale behind that?
If I'm wrong, sorry for saying shenanigans, I only looked at it for 2 seconds.
Originally posted by Maxacre42Was genuine curiosity how you reached that conclusion.I'm always interested to learn how others assess a position.
I wouldn't have resigned wither, but what I meant by that is that after white occupies the white square in front of the double pawns, it completely cramps the black position and the only way for black to get rid of it is by trading a rook for it, and he'll probably have to in my opinion.
If I'm wrong, sorry for saying shenanigans, I only looked at it for 2 seconds.
I see this as white is better,maybe winning but there's work to be done.
That said,I'd probably go down quickly as black.No good at handling this type of position.
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| 1. | e4 | c5 |
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| 2. | Ng1f3 | d6 |
| 3. | Nb1c3 | Nb8c6 |
| 4. | Bf1b5 | e5 |
| 5. | d3 | Ng8f6 |
| 6. | Bg5 | Qb6 |
| 7. | Bxf6 | gxf6 |
| 8. | Nd5 | Qa5 |
| 9. | Nd2 | Be7 |
| 10. | Qf3 | Qd8 |
| 11. | Nc4 | a6 |
| 12. | Ncb6 | Rb8 |
| 13. | Nxc8 | Rxc8 |
| 14. | Bxc6 | bxc6 |
| 15. | Ne3 | Rb8 |
| 16. | 0-0 | Rxb2 |
| 17. | Rfb1 | Qb6 |
| 18. | Qd1 | 0-0 |
| 19. | Rxb2 | Qxb2 |
| 20. | Rb1 | Qxa2 |
| 21. | Rb7 |
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This is what I had in mind if he tried to control the only usefull file. His position is ugly... the files aren't usefull because I can give up a couple pawns and if my rooks become active on the open files that are created from losing those pawns he is toast.
Originally posted by tomtom232I dont like 16. Rxb2
[pgn]1. e4 c5 2. Ng1f3 d6 3. Nb1c3 Nb8c6 4. Bf1b5 e5 5. d3 Ng8f6 6.Bg5 Qb6 7.Bxf6 gxf6 8.Nd5 Qa5 9.Nd2 Be7 10.Qf3 Qd8 11.Nc4 a6 12.Ncb6 Rb8 13.Nxc8 Rxc8 14.Bxc6 bxc6 15.Ne3 Rb8 16.0-0 Rxb2 17.Rfb1 Qb6 18.Qd1 0-0 19.Rxb2 Qxb2 20.Rb1 Qxa2 Rb7[/pgn]
This is what I had in mind if he tried to control the only usefull file. His position is ugly... the files a ...[text shortened]... my rooks become active on the open files that are created from losing those pawns he is toast.
Make white cwork to get his rooks out.
16. a5 possibly