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    Originally posted by Fat Lady
    I think White can do better than that:

    1.d4 f5 2.Bg5 h6 3.Bh4 g5 4.Bg3 Bg7 5.e4 and if 5. ... f4 then 6.Bxf4 gxf4 7.Qh5+ Kf8 8.Qf5+ Ke8 9.Be2 and I think White gets the piece back with a much superior position.

    In my opinion Black's position after move 4 is overextended and a simple plan for White is to castle queenside and open up the kingside.
    Here's a bad variation for white:

    1.d4 f5
    2.Bg5 h6
    3.Bh4 g5
    4.e4? Bg7! winning the bishop like this:
    5.exf5 gxh4
    6.Qh5+ Kf8, with advantage
    Any questions on the Dutch Defense, feel free to PM me, or leave a post here. 😉

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    Only one reply when faced with 1... f5, 2.e4 The Staunton!
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    11 Jul '07 22:09
    Originally posted by Dutch Defense

    Any questions on the Dutch Defense, feel free to PM me, or leave a post here. 😉
    So what are some basic lines with the Leningrad? The albin just ain't cutting it for me.

    I need theory! lol
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    This is all really interesting. I like to play Colle/Stonewall type of openings as White so I thought that maybe I'd like the Dutch as Black.
    But it looks altogether too risky to me. Just look how draughty it is around the king!
    On top of that, Black's queenside pieces are all still in bed.
    I'll try to find some of the master games mentioned further up the page to see how they survived when playing it, but I've got a feeling that I'm going to stick to playing d5 in reply to d4!

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    Originally posted by yofidawg
    So what are some basic lines with the Leningrad? The albin just ain't cutting it for me.

    I need theory! lol
    Here are some of the lines of the Leningrad:

    1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.Nf3 d6 6.O-O O-O 7.Nc3 Qe8 8.d5 Na6 9.Rb1 Bd7 10.b4 c5 11.dxc6 bxc6

    1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.Nf3 d6 6.O-O O-O 7.Nc3 Qe8 8.d5 Na6 9.Nd4 Bd7 10.Rb1 c6 11.b3 Nc7
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    12 Jul '07 01:171 edit
    Originally posted by Dutch Defense
    1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.Nf3 d6 6.O-O O-O 7.Nc3 Qe8 8.d5 Na6 9.Rb1 Bd7 10.b4 c5 11.dxc6 bxc6
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    Originally posted by Dutch Defense
    1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.Nf3 d6 6.O-O O-O 7.Nc3 Qe8 8.d5 Na6 9.Nd4 Bd7 10.Rb1 c6 11.b3 Nc7
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    Thanks for the dutch lines, looks good so far
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    12 Jul '07 01:28
    I have some personal favorite variations too:

    Stonewall Variation: 1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.g3 e6 4.Bg2 Be7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.0-0 d5 7.Nc3 c6 and play out the rest of the game.

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    12 Jul '07 01:32
    This one is related to the Leningrad:

    1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Nc3 b6 7.0-0 (if knight on f3 moves, c6) Bb7 8.Bg5 e6 9.Qd2 d6

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    12 Jul '07 01:36
    Originally posted by Huntingdon
    Only one reply when faced with 1... f5, 2.e4 The Staunton!
    Here are a few lines of the Staunton Gambit:

    1.d4 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.f3 d5 4.fxe4 dxe4 5.Nc3 Nf6 6.Bg5 Bf5 7.Nge2 e6 8.Ng3 Be7

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    12 Jul '07 01:39
    Thanks

    Any recommendations? :p I play the Caro against 1. e4 but i'd like a sharper line against 1. d4
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    1.d4 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 d5? Watch this: 5.Bxf6! exf6 6.Qh5+ g6 7.Qxd5 f5 8.Qxd8+ Kxd8 9.0-0-0, with f3 eventually and white with the advantage.
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    12 Jul '07 01:441 edit
    Here's the correct way black should play the Staunton Gambit:

    1.d4 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Nc6! 5.d5 Ne5 6.Qd5 Nf7 (d6, 7.Bxf6 exf6 8.Qxe4 isn't too bad I guess) 7.Bxf6 exf6 8.Nxe4 (or Qxe4+) Be7 9.0-0-0 0-0, with a slight advantage to white due to black's kind of cramped-up position even though there's still plenty of play left.

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    12 Jul '07 01:46
    Originally posted by yofidawg
    Thanks

    Any recommendations? :p I play the Caro against 1. e4 but i'd like a sharper line against 1. d4
    recommendations for playing the Caro-Kann Defense?
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