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Someone, teach me, fast!

I've been using it a lot recently in the following line. 1. d4, e6 2. c4, f5 .......... It's one of my fav. transpositions.. I'm just looking for some ideas in the opening, I've played through a bunch of masters games in the line and I really like the attacking posture black takes after white castles.. it's really something i like. Am I sorta on the right path?

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Originally posted by ih8sens
Am I sorta on the right path?
you left the right path on your second move...

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I think what you really want to play is 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 that is a more reliable defence.

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Originally posted by Tyrannosauruschex
I think what you really want to play is 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 that is a more reliable defence.
solid, I agree
Reliable of course.
Sharp enough to possible gain winning odds?
... ... ... ... ... ...

Exactly!


then again, I'm having some trouble with my Dutch Defense game against the Flying Dutchman himself, so maybe I shouldn't bash on 1. ... f5 until I've beaten it...

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Originally posted by ih8sens
Someone, teach me, fast!

I've been using it a lot recently in the following line. 1. d4, e6 2. c4, f5 .......... It's one of my fav. transpositions.. I'm just looking for some ideas in the opening, I've played through a bunch of masters games in the line and I really like the attacking posture black takes after white castles.. it's really something i like. Am I sorta on the right path?
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Originally posted by ih8sens
Someone, teach me, fast!

I've been using it a lot recently in the following line. 1. d4, e6 2. c4, f5 .......... It's one of my fav. transpositions.. I'm just looking for some ideas in the opening, I've played through a bunch of masters games in the line and I really like the attacking posture black takes after white castles.. it's really something i like. Am I sorta on the right path?
stonewall and classical are for wimps. real men play leningrad.

1.d4 f5 2.c4 Nf6 3.g3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.Nf3 0-0 6.0-0 d6 7.Nc3 c6



the idea is usually to push e5 as soon as possible, maybe sac a pawn on f4 to open the king, possibly Qh5 etc. black goes for the king, white counters on queenside. if you get to block the center, you're in a KID type of position and storm the pawns.

you need to know how to deal with 2.Bg5 and 2.e4 or you're easily in trouble straight from the beginning (like in Game 3532360). and you need to seriously keep in mind the possibility of a fork from e6 until you get e5 in. same thing about checks on the a2-g8 diagonal, especially if you develop c8 bishop, leaving the b7-pawn unprotected against Qb3+.


you can also play leningrad as white with reversed colors:

[Event "? - corr"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2000.07.01"]
[EventDate "2000.07.01"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Henrik Danielsen"]
[Black "Joel Martin Clemente"]
[ECO "A03"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "77"]

1. f4 d5 2. Nf3 g6 3. g3 Bg7 4. Bg2 c6 5. d3 Nh6 6. c3 O-O
7. O-O Qb6+ 8. Kh1 Ng4 9. Qe1 Ne3 10. Bxe3 Qxe3 11. d4 Bg4
12. Nbd2 f5 13. h3 Bxf3 14. Nxf3 Qe6 15. e3 Nd7 16. g4 Nf6
17. Ng5 Qd7 18. gxf5 gxf5 19. Rg1 h6 20. Nf3 Qe8 21. Ne5 Kh7
22. Qh4 Nd7 23. Bf3 Bf6 24. Qh5 Bxe5 25. fxe5 Qxh5 26. Bxh5
Rg8 27. Bf7 Rxg1+ 28. Rxg1 Rf8 29. Be6 Nb6 30. Rf1 Kg6 31. Kh2
Na8 32. c4 dxc4 33. Bxc4 Nc7 34. e4 e6 35. Kg3 f4+ 36. Rxf4
Rxf4 37. Kxf4 a5 38. Be2 b6 39. Bf3 1-0

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Originally posted by wormwood
stonewall and classical are for wimps. real men play leningrad.
HA! Says you. A few examples of your games would prove a lot.

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Originally posted by wormwood
stonewall and classical are for wimps. real men play leningrad.
Not Leningrad! St Petersburg nowadays!

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Originally posted by Dutch Defense
HA! Says you. A few examples of your games would prove a lot.
Game 3532363

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Originally posted by wormwood
Game 3532363
Sorry for any misunderstanding. I meant you playing against a Stonewall or Classical Variation.

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Originally posted by Dutch Defense
Sorry for any misunderstanding. I meant you playing against a Stonewall or Classical Variation.
I'm not a wimp.





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Originally posted by wormwood
I'm not a wimp.





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Neither am I

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I used to love the leningrad dutch. I still love the opening but I've decided to drop it. I play the kings indian instead. Its a more solid way of getting the same sort of kingside attack.

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