But I still think Fischer would have beaten Karpov in 1975 yet lost
the replay to Karpov in 1978.
And this is the postion after Black's 3rd move from Constantinou - Williams
Played a few days ago in the British Championship.
Do you think you could re-create what happened to reach this position in 3 moves.
Trap No.9 in Traps on the Chessboard by Znosko-Borovsky
(a really dreadful book by the way) needs re-working.
Znosko stops after 11...Qh3 and simply says 'and wins'.
However White gets 3 pieces for the Queen.
Unclear would be a safer bet.
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| 1. | e4 | e5 |
|---|---|---|
| 2. | Nf3 | Nc6 |
| 3. | Nc3 | Nf6 |
| 4. | Bb5 | Bb4 |
| 5. | O-O | O-O |
| 6. | d3 | d6 |
| 7. | Bg5 | Bg4 |
| 8. | Nd5 | Nd4 |
| 9. | Bc4 | Qd7 |
| 10. | Nxb4 | Bxf3 |
| 11. | gxf3 | Qh3 |
| 12. | Bxf6 | Nxf3 |
| 13. | Qxf3 | Qxf3 |
| 14. | Bh4 |
(you are watching a master thread hijacker at work - terrible title).
Originally posted by greenpawn34Come on...Fischer asked for conditions he knew FIDE would refuse.
[b]But I still think Fischer would have beaten Karpov in 1975 yet lost
the replay to Karpov in 1978.
He was so scared of losing to Karpov he ran away. All smart chess historians
know this, but since they are Fischer "nutswingers" they say he would
have won, but lost in 1978. Give me a break.
"Please God, give us another American or British World Champion so everyone
will get over their biased, one sided, Fischer bull****"
(A nutswinger is a fan who refuses to look at the other side of a persons ability
and always thinks their man/woman is the best. They are always hanging from their nuts, enjoying the ride)
Ah good a nibble.....and another succesful thread hijack. 🙂
Name one these 'chess historians' who agree with me.
I have formed this opinion on my own. It's not something I have read
out of book or a forum post. It's mine. I have copyright on it.
My humble opinion is based soley on chess ability and what happened in
1978 in the Korchnoi match.
Kaprov was not quite Karpov in '75 and the off board antics of Korchnoi
in '78 pulled a 5-2 lead to 5-5 within 4 games.
I think the pressure of facing Fischer in '75, who was the Chess Champion
of the World, please do not forget how great a chess player he was,
plus Fischer's 'gamemanship' would have wore Karpov down.
In '78 Karpov would have come through the qualifers again but this time wiser
and stronger. Fischer though still capable of producing a couple of brilliant
games in the 1992 match. I think would havbe lost in '78.
(One of Fischer's 1992 games , bar some political voting by one of the judges who
awarded it nil points whilst four others judges gave it top marks, should have
been voted best game of the year. Not bad for someone 20 years out of the game.)
Fischer was certainly preparing to face Karpov, he sent a message to
Craig Pritchett a day after his game v Kaprov in the 74 Olympiad
showing him a missed win.
(Fischer was following every Karpov game, hardly the actions of someone not intending to play.)
We shall never know.
But iunbiased specualtion (I'm a huge Karpov fan) is all we are left with.
No mention of FIDE demans or analysis by amatuer armchair psychiatrists
as to why the match never took place.
What may have happend if it did take place, simply based on Chess.
Here is the Karpov - Pritchett game, see if you can spot what Fischer saw.
(And don't plug it into a box - there were no boxes in 1974.) 😉
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| 1. | Nf3 | c5 |
|---|---|---|
| 2. | c4 | Nc6 |
| 3. | Nc3 | Nf6 |
| 4. | d4 | cxd4 |
| 5. | Nxd4 | e6 |
| 6. | g3 | Qb6 |
| 7. | Nb3 | Bb4 |
| 8. | Bg2 | d5 |
| 9. | Nd2 | d4 |
| 10. | Na4 | Qc7 |
| 11. | 0-0 | Be7 |
| 12. | a3 | 0-0 |
| 13. | b4 | e5 |
| 14. | Qc2 | Be6 |
| 15. | Nb3 | Rad8 |
| 16. | Nac5 | Bc8 |
| 17. | e4 | Bxc5 |
| 18. | Nxc5 | d3 |
| 19. | Nxd3 | Nd4 |
| 20. | Qb2 | Bg4 |
| 21. | Re1 | Rfe8 |
| 22. | f4 | exf4 |
| 23. | Bxf4 | Qxc4 |
| 24. | Ne5 | Qc2 |
| 25. | Ra2 | Qxb2 |
| 26. | Rxb2 | Be6 |
| 27. | a4 | Nd7 |
| 28. | Nd3 | Nb6 |
| 29. | Nc5 | Nc4 |
| 30. | Rf2 | Bc8 |
| 31. | Bc7 | b6 |
| 32. | Bxd8 | bxc5 |
| 33. | Rc1 | Ne5 |
| 34. | Rxc5 | Bg4 |
| 35. | Rd5 | Ndf3 |
| 36. | Kh1 | f6 |
| 37. | Bc7 | Rc8 |
| 38. | Rd8 | Rxd8 |
| 39. | Bxd8 | Kf7 |
| 40. | h3 |
Originally posted by greenpawn34I'm guessing 1.g3 f5 2.d3 e5 3.d4 d6 ?
And this is the postion after Black's 3rd move from Constantinou - Williams
Played a few days ago in the British Championship.
[fen]rnbqkbnr/ppp3pp/3p4/4pp2/3P4/6P1/PPP1PP1P/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 4[/fen]
Do you think you could re-create what happened to reach this position in 3 moves.
I'm not sure what this has to do with the price of tea in China, though. 😉
Originally posted by greenpawn34Hey Hey Hey, stick to the script! ECO Busted, remember? What do you think of it?
But I still think Fischer would have beaten Karpov in 1975 yet lost
the replay to Karpov in 1978.
(You must really like it; You refuse to talk about it.) 🙂
P.S. Actually, I'm not that much into openings. This ECO Busted thingy discussion is mostly just for idle chat. 🙂 (OK, maybe others might actually be interested)
Yes you have it.
White played d3 then d4. Good move shows thinking outside the box
and not being shackled by rote.
None of this trying to get the thread back on track. It's been hijacked.
To counter hijack you must come up with an alternaitve subject and
hope someone bites to establish a new path.
Read TOS: "Thread Hijackcing.'
Always remember that Spassky has 3 S's in his surname and Capablanca had
4 a's in his.
Fischer had NO letters the same in his surname, neither did Morphy.
The current price of tea in China is $3 a chest.