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End Game - Pawn and Bishop

End Game - Pawn and Bishop

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The game is still in progress so nothing specific, but is it possible to win with a bishop and pawn, or is it a stale mate always (against a solid opponent)?

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Oh, and importantly, the pawn promotion square is opposite color of the bishop.

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Do you mean King+Bishop+Pawn against King? If so it is very possible to win. I might say that the win is forced.

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Originally posted by Hawaiianhomegrown
The game is still in progress so nothing specific, but is it possible to win with a bishop and pawn, or is it a stale mate always (against a solid opponent)?
That's pretty specific, really - either you know what endgame to trade into / avoid, or know what you are playing for. Look it up!

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The answer given would be how you would proceed in that game, so it shouldn't be answered.
If we all said its not possible, you would draw.. if we said its quite possible, you won't accept a draw.. Nobody should answer until game over.

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Originally posted by Akashic
Do you mean King+Bishop+Pawn against King? If so it is very possible to win. I might say that the win is forced.
That is what I meant. We'll discuss it further in another few moves when my game is over. One more thing, the pawn is the A pawn, boardering the edge of the board.

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Originally posted by MIODude
The answer given would be how you would proceed in that game, so it shouldn't be answered.
If we all said its not possible, you would draw.. if we said its quite possible, you won't accept a draw.. Nobody should answer until game over.
It actually doesn't make a difference. The game is already in the stated state, and I play out my games no matter what so it's either going to be a victory for me or a stalemate, no other options.

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Originally posted by Hawaiianhomegrown
That is what I meant. We'll discuss it further in another few moves when my game is over. One more thing, the pawn is the A pawn, boardering the edge of the board.
With a rook pawn, if the bishop controls the queening square, it's a win. If it doesn't, it's a draw (assuming that the opposing king can get to the queening square). It's pretty easy to see why. Put the black king on a8, the white pawn anywhere on the a-file, the white king wherever you like, and the white bishop on any dark square. Black is going to move his king back and forth between a8 and b8, b7, or a6. White will never be able to control a8 with any piece, so he will never be able to stop Black from going there. And if Black is already there, and White controls all three adjoining squares, then Black is stalemated.

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Originally posted by Gyr
With a rook pawn, if the bishop controls the queening square, it's a win. If it doesn't, it's a draw (assuming that the opposing king can get to the queening square). It's pretty easy to see why. Put the black king on a8, the white pawn anywhere on the a-file, the white king wherever you like, and the white bishop on any dark square. Black is going to mov ...[text shortened]... lack is already there, and White controls all three adjoining squares, then Black is stalemated.
That's what I thought. And that is what my game proved (for a player of my ability anyway). It ended in stalemate. If anyone wants to contradict here is the exact scenario. I was white, had the right rook pawn (H) and my white bishop, so did not control the queening square. Yes his king could get to the queening square. Thanks for your responses.

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Now shift all the pieces one or more files, so that it's no longer a rook pawn. It's no longer stalemate, because now the opposing king has a square to move to. (Of course, you'll have to find a way to distract your opponent while you move all those pieces.)

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Originally posted by Gyr
Now shift all the pieces one or more files, so that it's no longer a rook pawn. It's no longer stalemate...
Why shift the pieces?

White to play wins.
😏 😛

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And perhaps even a better one:


White to play and win 🙂

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But we were talking about a position where the opposing king can control the queening square. If White can keep the Black king away from that square, then of course it's a win.

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If you have pawn + bishop + king vs king alone, you can win easily. since you dont have to move your king or pawn, and your opponent must move his king.

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Originally posted by THUDandBLUNDER
Why shift the pieces?

White to play wins.
😏 😛

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You have the right bishop here, that is not the position that was in question. With the wrong colored bishop, and the defending king controlling the corner, Gyr is correct, it is always a draw.🙂

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