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Joined 21 Feb '06 Moves 6830 Here's a different way for Black to lose:
[Event "Edited game"] [Site "ROXAROXFJDD"] [Date "2010.02.08"] [Round "-"] [White "-"] [Black "-"] [Result "1-0"] [FEN "6k1/8/8/8/8/8/8/5RK1 w - - 0 1"] [SetUp "1"] {-------------- . . . . . . k . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . R K . white to play --------------} 1. Kg2 Kh8 2. Kf3 Kg7 3. Kg3 Kh6 4. Kh4 Kg6 5. Kg4 Kh6 6. Kf5 Kh7 7. Kf6 Kh8 8. Kf7 Kh7 9. Rh1# {White mates} 1-0
Kalispell, MT
Joined 05 Jul '08 Moves 23554 Originally posted by Fat Lady
Here's a different way for Black to lose:
[pgn]
[Event "Edited game"]
[Site "ROXAROXFJDD"]
[Date "2010.02.08"]
[Round "-"]
[White "-"]
[Black "-"]
[Result "1-0"]
[FEN "6k1/8/8/8/8/8/8/5RK1 w - - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
{--------------
. . . . . . k .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . ...[text shortened]... g4 Kh6 6. Kf5 Kh7 7. Kf6
Kh8 8. Kf7 Kh7 9. Rh1#
{White mates} 1-0
[/pgn] Ooop. Now FL has done it... how much longer before we get a "4 planes of opposition"
speech?
-GIN
Joined 25 Apr '06 Moves 5939 I believe Kf3 or 2. Kf2 (?) is important but Black's defense can be somewhat more stubborn right? Where's Keith when you need him
Joined 21 Feb '06 Moves 6830 Originally posted by heinzkat
I believe Kf3 or 2. Kf2 (?) is important but Black's defense can be somewhat more stubborn right? Where's Keith when you need him Well post what you consider a more stubborn defence for Black.
Joined 25 Apr '06 Moves 5939 Originally posted by Fat Lady
Well post what you consider a more stubborn defence for Black. As said somewhere above, I don't understand the exercise, but 2. ... Kg7 doesn't strike me as "most stubborn"
Kalispell, MT
Joined 05 Jul '08 Moves 23554 Originally posted by Fat Lady
Well post what you consider a more stubborn defence for Black. Slightly? Maybe not... it all just the same opposition puzzle... 😞
[Event "Good vs Evil"] [Site "GM Norm"] [Date "2010.02.08"] [Round "?"] [White "Heinzkat"] [Black "Fat Lady"] [Result "1-0"] [SetUp "1"] [FEN "6k1/8/8/8/8/8/8/5RK1 w - - 0 1"] 1. Kg2 Kg7 2. Kg3 Kh6 3. Kh4 Kh7 4. Kh5 Kg7 5. Kg5 Kh8 6. Kf6 Kg8 7. Kg6 Kh8 8. Rf8# 1-0
Joined 09 Aug '01 Moves 54019 Originally posted by robbie carrobie
please tell the forum pawn dude, chess games are won and lost in the middle game! i'm looking at van perlo's excellent book.
the main take-away is that there are tactics in the endgame too.
Joined 21 Feb '06 Moves 6830 Originally posted by Nowakowski
Slightly? Maybe not... it all just the same opposition puzzle... 😞
Careful. Black could have played 6. ... Kh7 and White is scuppered. Here's how that one should have played out:
[Result "1-0"] [FEN "6k1/8/8/8/8/8/8/5RK1 w - - 0 1"] [SetUp "1"] {-------------- . . . . . . k . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . R K . white to play --------------} 1. Kg2 Kg7 2. Kg3 Kh6 3. Kh4 Kh7 4. Kh5 Kg7 5. Kg5 Kh8 6. Kh6 Kg8 7. Kg6 Kh8 8. Kf7 Kh7 9. Rh1# {White mates} 1-0
(A different mate. Just for fun)
Kalispell, MT
Joined 05 Jul '08 Moves 23554 Originally posted by Fat Lady
Careful. Black could have played 6. ... Kh7 and White is scuppered. Here's how that one should have played out:
[pgn]
[Result "1-0"]
[FEN "6k1/8/8/8/8/8/8/5RK1 w - - 0 1"]
[SetUp "1"]
{--------------
. . . . . . k .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . . . .
. . . . . R K .
white to play ...[text shortened]...
Kh8 8. Kf7 Kh7 9. Rh1#
{White mates} 1-0
[/pgn]
(A different mate. Just for fun) Yes very good, white leaves the plane of opposition, and would be forced to move his
rook twice (against the puzzles rules).
Here is another opposition puzzle...but here, white must try to pull of a tricksy draw!
White to move
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Joined 26 Aug '07 Moves 38239 Originally posted by tonytiger41
i'm looking at van perlo's excellent book.
the main take-away is that there are tactics in the endgame too. yes i do not deny!
Joined 21 Feb '06 Moves 6830 Originally posted by heinzkat
As said somewhere above, I don't understand the exercise, but 2. ... Kg7 doesn't strike me as "most stubborn" The point is to show how powerful the Opposition is, and how it can be used to drive your opponent's king away from where it wants to be.
Here's a similar (sort of) position which I use to teach a different theme, the zugzwang. The idea is that White is trying to queen the c-pawn, but he's not allowed to move his king.
Joined 25 Apr '06 Moves 5939 Originally posted by Fat Lady
The point is to show how powerful the Opposition is, and how it can be used to drive your opponent's king away from where it wants to be.
Here's a similar (sort of) position which I use to teach a different theme, the zugzwang. The idea is that White is trying to queen the c-pawn, but he's not allowed to move his king.
[fen]8/8/8/2k5/8/R1P4K/8/8 w - - 0 1[/fen] Reveal Hidden ContentRa1-Rc1 roflpwng
Joined 21 Feb '06 Moves 6830 This is my favourite opposition puzzle.
White to play is trying to draw. If you give this to even quite experienced club players, they'll play Kc2 without any thought.
Joined 25 Apr '06 Moves 5939
Joined 21 Feb '06 Moves 6830 At least you thought about it first.
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