Endgame question

Now I know this game is still in progress, but my question relates to an earlier part of the game which will have no bearing whatsoever on the outcome of the game.

Game 3000735

My question is this - from about move 55 onward, was it possible for black to promote without white making an error? I was sweating because it seemed as though white could continually move his king in a manner that meant that when black moved my pawn to the 7th rank it would give check, resulting in a draw. Then on move 59 white moved to a square that allowed black to promote.

Had white moved ke1 instead of kd1 on move 59, was there anything black could have done to promote? Or was it a drawn game?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Crita.

Originally posted by Crita
Now I know this game is still in progress, but my question relates to an earlier part of the game which will have no bearing whatsoever on the outcome of the game.

Game 3000735

My question is this - from about move 55 onward, was it possible for black to promote without white making an error? I was sweating because it seemed as though black could c ...[text shortened]... ould have done to promote? Or was it a drawn game?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Crita.

Thanks RahimK.

So what should black have done in the lead up to that to ensure that it wasn't a draw?

interestingly the position (should be) won by black at move 51 (or in fact earlier .. black should lead with the king, the pawn follows) and then (should be) drawn by the time it gets to move 55.

Probably best to wait for the game to end in future. While it is perfectly correct that discussion of the theoretical aspects of this game won't affect the outcome at this point it can become a slippery slope in which discussion of previously available tactics or strategies in an ongoing game can become available again.

Thanks for that idioms. Very helpful.

I see your point re: discussion of tactics etc that may come up again in the game.

I know you had a decent position but when it comes to an endgame which might be to close to call, make sure you leave adequate material on the board.

I know Queens make people nervous, me included but you should have tried to keep the queens on the board and keep attacking. He was on the defensive. After you have adquate material then trade down into a forced win.

I added some more to my post, check above.

Edit: I liked you game. Only suggestion I had was to defend the e5 pawn after the Bxc6+.

Thanks again RahimK.

Yeah, I guess I may have jumped the gun trading queens. But you're right - they do make me very nervous!

Thanks for the kind words. And I see your point re: defending the pawn on e5.

Originally posted by RahimK
59.Ke1 draws.

You have to be very careful about opposition.

Better is:

52...Kd3 and black wins!

The key is to control the squares infront of the pawn.

53.Ke1 Ke3! 54. Kd1 or Kf1 e4 55.Ke1 Kd3 56.Kd1 e3 57.Ke1 e2 and black queens.


on move 52. Both Kd4 and Kf4 draw.

RK

Originally posted by zebano
With best play, white lost on move 51. However if instead of playing 51. Ke2 he instead played 51. Ke1! he would draw.

Originally posted by Crita
Now I know this game is still in progress, but my question relates to an earlier part of the game which will have no bearing whatsoever on the outcome of the game.

Originally posted by Varenka
Why not just wait till it's finished?

You say that it won't have a bearing on the outcome of the game? How many posters have written their evaluation of the game continuation? What if you (the Black player) weren't 100% sure of this initially? Maybe it's a fair assumption for others to make, but it's still an assumption nonetheless, esp. when you obviously don't own an endgame book.

See Thread 58467

Originally posted by Crita
I believe this issue (commenting on games in progress) has been brought up by a different poster earlier in this thread, so while I appreciate your concern, it was quite unnecessary.

Originally posted by Crita
Now I know this game is still in progress, but my question relates to an earlier part of the game which will have no bearing whatsoever on the outcome of the game.

Game 3000735

My question is this - from about move 55 onward, was it possible for black to promote without white making an error? I was sweating because it seemed as though white could c ...[text shortened]... ould have done to promote? Or was it a drawn game?

Thanks for your help in advance.

Crita.