When asked if using computers in online chess is inherently unethical many consider it so. Users of computers are labeled cheaters. Many competitors mention that they would personally gain no satisfaction from winning if they used computer assistance. Many also equated using computers to letting the computer totally generate the moves without any involvement from the player. Using computers has been labeled by many as unethical and unsatisfying without any further thought about more subtle and creative uses of using analyzing computers as tools.
When assistance of computers to analyze positions is forbidden by the rules of play some difficulties arise. First of all is done properly computer aided play in online chess cannot be detected. Additionally there are all sorts of minor infractions that can occur with computer use. How about using a computer to study openings, say by using it as a practice opponent or allowing it to suggest lines of play for you to consider, when would you have to stop playing these lines ? If you consider this example trivial allow me to point out that such considerations have led to lengthy and heated debate already.
Here are my personal opinions on this subject. I see nothing inherently unethical about using computers. They are just one additional tool we can use to determine the move we wish to make. I wouldn't obtain personal satisfaction from plugging my positions into a computer and just accepting the generated moves but I'll allow that it is possible that some competitors would find this a fun way to play chess. There will always be competitors who want to play without computer assistance. I have no problem with that as long as they respect my perception too !
Chess is a magnificent activity. The art/sport/science of chess is great enough to encompass all competitors, whether they pursue correspondence, OTB, problem solving/composing, chess set collecting, chess-on-stamps collecting, chess forms designing, chess journalism, tournament directing, organizing, or the many other forms of chess activities. It would be grossly unfair for one set of chess enthusiasts to prohibit others from pursuing their preferred forms of the game. I would specifically propose chess competitions be made available for using computers to analyze or generate moves. I see no reason to satisfy those who are opposed to these ideas : I refuse to accept the tyranny of those who would force others to play only by their preferred rules.
http://www.compcheaters.netfirms.com/
Originally posted by ObviouslyThere are ways to use a computer that are not cheating. You can use a computer to search a database for a position, and see an answer. Cheating with a computer is when you use the engine to make a move for you, or check your move before you make it to see if it is a blunder.
...I see no reason to satisfy those who are opposed to these ideas : I refuse to accept the tyranny of those who would force others to play only by their preferred rules.
http://www.compcheaters.netfirms.com/
No one is forcing anyone to "Play by their rules". These ARE the rules.
That web site is a crack up... I hope it is a trap to lure suckers into admiting they are cheats.
P-
Originally posted by ObviouslyIt's only tyranny if you're not allowed to have a choice. Tyranny implies absolute power by definition.
I refuse to accept the tyranny of those who would force others to play only by their preferred rules.
But, you agree to a certain amount of tyranny, although it more closely resembles a monarchy, by accepting the terms of service of a site. Standard disclaimer applies: if you don't like it, and don't agree with it, go away, don't use it.
Ack! I got trolled!
Originally posted by PhlabibitNow Phla,if you think about it,that website is actually a good thing.It allows non-cheaters and site administrators (owners) to see how cheating is done,which makes it easier to catch cheaters and invent ways to prevent cheating!
That web site is a crack up... I hope it is a trap to lure suckers into admiting they are cheats.
P-[/b]
can anyone help me with a clarification of the rules. By moving backwards and forwards, white can keep black in check in continuosly repetitive moves and black is one move away from mate at the other end of the board. Is there a natural draw after X repetitive moves the game reaches a natural draw? What are the rules? Are there any moral considerations?
Originally posted by reginald33That would be draw by repetition.If you reach the same position 3 times you can claim a draw,also after 50 moves without a capture or a pawn move.
can anyone help me with a clarification of the rules. By moving backwards and forwards, white can keep black in check in continuosly repetitive moves and black is one move away from mate at the other end of the board. Is there a natural draw after X repetitive moves the game reaches a natural draw? What are the rules? Are there any moral considerations?
Problem is,I don't think the site supports draw by repetion yet.You might have to contact russ or chrismo for this.
Sir Lot
Originally posted by reginald33No "moral considerations" whatsoever. What you are describing is a draw by perpetual check, and not only is it morally acceptable, it is something that you should strive to achieve if you are in a lost position.
can anyone help me with a clarification of the rules. By moving backwards and forwards, white can keep black in check in continuosly repetitive moves and black is one move away from mate at the other end of the board. Is there a natural draw after X repetitive moves the game reaches a natural draw? What are the rules? Are there any moral considerations?
If your opponent allows you to get into a position where you can keep on delivering check indefinitely, then that is his mistake, just like it would be his mistake if he put you in stale-mate. And if you can force such a situation by skilful play in a lost postion, then thats as "honourable" a gain as anything in Chess. If he is so close to victory that he could deliver check mate on the next move if he wasn't checked, that's just that much more agravating for him and delicious for you, that you can force a draw by keeping him in check! 😀
-Jarno