The Goolie Crusher opening developed by a group of friends of mine starts by 1.f3 and 2.Kf2. White castles by hand.
It's surprisingly resilient, black often assumes he must win and over stretches. I've seen FIDE masters lose as white to the Reverse Goolie Crusher (1.. f6 and 2.. Kf7).
Try it out and let me know how you get on. We can compare theory!
The Goolie Crusher is what the user on ICC that was supposed to be Fischer used, repeatedly beating Nigel Short with it. He did push things a bit far though, I think he carried on 3.Ke3!?
Originally posted by RavelloIf you go to www.csm.astate.edu you'll find a diagram of the original setup with all possible moves. F2-f3 even has a name: The Barnes Opening and they have a few variations going out to 3-4 moves. It looks wretched to me, but hey it's your dime!
I was wondering if there's an opening that starts with f3.......I want to try something like this.
Paultopia please...........
According to Chessgames.com of the 281,424 games in their database since 1490, the Barnes has been used five times, but hey it won 3! Just don't follow up with g4, that's a 2 move checkmate for Black!
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I took a look at Bird's at chessgames,it's a quite unusual opening,none of the well known masters play it,however the line f4,Nf3,g3,Bg2 sounds quite interesting to play for white,even if it can reveal as a double-cut weapon...........thanks to paultopia and everyone who answered,I'm going to give a try to Bird's opening and will let you know how it's gone.
Originally posted by OsseWouldn't that just transpose directly into the KG if white so desired? 2. e4, of course. (although 2. Nf3 might be entertaining, it would probably lead to a horrible beating vis a vis queen checks and such.)
Make sure you have a response to 1...e5; From's Gambit. It's probably not the best, but certainly the most aggresive way to meet the Bird, and worrying if you are unprepared.
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Originally posted by RavelloI've started opening with A4 or H4 in some of my games against LivingLegend, initially I did it to amuse and confuse him but I'm sure there is the germ of a good opening in there somewhere. I then move the pawn to A/H4 and follow it up with my Rook.
I was wondering if there's an opening that starts with f3.......I want to try something like this.
Paultopia please...........
I've not got anywhere but into a mess with it so far but why don't you just go ahead and try out these unconventional openings and see where they take you.
Originally posted by paultopiaTrue, it does, Why win a pawn and get a good position, when you can lose a pawn and get an equal position instead 😉
Wouldn't that just transpose directly into the KG if white so desired? 2. e4, of course. (although 2. Nf3 might be entertaining, it would probably lead to a horrible beating vis a vis queen checks and such.)
Originally posted by OsseHey! The KG is a good position! Philistine :-)
True, it does, Why win a pawn and get a good position, when you can lose a pawn and get an equal position instead 😉
The a4/h4 thing is beyond even what I'd dare. I think Yasser Sewerian's opening book (the one in that really good series of his, the name escapes me) actively makes fun of a4/h4 to develop the rook as the standard novice blunder that he made for the begining of his career (because of the obvious bishop capture of course). Any opening that is actively mocked, in print, by one of the strongest grandmasters in the world...
Originally posted by paultopiaYep, I lost my bishop the first time I tried it but the next time I didn't - so the fact that I'm daring to do what a grand master admitted to trying is pretty good to me. Better to learn from your own experience than just follow a book, surely?
Hey! The KG is a good position! Philistine :-)
The a4/h4 thing is beyond even what I'd dare. I think Yasser Sewerian's opening book (the one in that really good series of his, the name escapes me) actively makes fun of a4/h4 to develop the rook as the standard novice blunder that he made for the begining of his career (because of the obvious bish ...[text shortened]... opening that is actively mocked, in print, by one of the strongest grandmasters in the world...
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Originally posted by no1marauder😀 yea, that's what 1. f3 is called. "Fools Mate"
If you go to www.csm.astate.edu you'll find a diagram of the original setup with all possible moves. F2-f3 even has a name: The Barnes Opening and they have a few variations going out to 3-4 moves. It looks wretched to me, but ...[text shortened]... st don't follow up with g4, that's a 2 move checkmate for Black!
Starting with f3, what WOULD move 2 be? Certainly not e4, that just begs the loss of a rook via the traditional daminano's defense method. d4? Ok, but suppose black plays 1. e4?
1. f3 e4 2. d4 exd4 3. Qxd4 Nc3 4. Qa4 and we're playing a really really ugly scandinavian :-) 4. ... Nf6 5. e4 (since now the queen on the 4th defends the whole check thing) 5. ... d6 6. Bb5 Bd7 7. Ne2 a6 8. Bd3 b5 9. Qb4 Be7 10. 0-0 0-0 11. Nd2 (not Nc3 because of the next move, which would then win the queen after Qa3 d5) Be6 12. Qc3 a5
or something like that. (most of those moves seem tactically forced, assuming black has the sense to put pressure on white's position) black has a bunch more queenside space, better mobility (see, for example, white's dead bishops) etc., and will have major threats on the poor queen, who must immediately make an escape route, Probably with 13. b3 b4 Qb2 etc., and then the last hope of developing that QB anytime soon dies...
Although I suppose white could play it as a gambit and let the d pawn go.
1. f3 e5 2. d4 exd4 3. c3 dxc3 4. Nxc3 d5 and now what?
Originally posted by paultopiaThe book series is called "Play winning chess, tactics, openings, etc". Great set of books!
Hey! The KG is a good position! Philistine :-)
The a4/h4 thing is beyond even what I'd dare. I think Yasser Sewerian's opening book (the one in that really good series of his, the name escapes me) actively makes fun of a4/h4 to develop the rook as the standard novice blunder that he made for the begining of his career (because of the obvious bish ...[text shortened]... opening that is actively mocked, in print, by one of the strongest grandmasters in the world...
NicolaiS, If you want to try another unusual opening, try the English! My fav, so I had to throw it out there. I think it is more solid than the Bird and very versitile. And it is played by top grandmasters. 😀