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  1. Standard member Wulebgr
    Angler
    25 Mar '06 17:08
    This study by J. Kling from 1852 is given as a win with white to move:



    I fail to see the win.
  2. Standard member Derfel Cadarn
    The Mighty
    25 Mar '06 17:08
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    This study by J. Kling from 1852 is given as a win with white to move:

    [fen]8/5p2/8/5p2/2k2P2/4P1P1/4K3/8 w - - 0 1[/fen]

    I fail to see the win.
    Maybe Kf3?
  3. Standard member Wulebgr
    Angler
    25 Mar '06 17:11
    Originally posted by Derfel Cadarn
    Maybe Kf3?
    1.Kf3 Kd3 =
  4. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    25 Mar '06 17:26
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    This study by J. Kling from 1852 is given as a win with white to move:

    [fen]8/5p2/8/5p2/2k2P2/4P1P1/4K3/8 w - - 0 1[/fen]

    I fail to see the win.
    I don't see much future in g4 so maybe after 1.Kd2 Kd5 2. Kd3 Ke6 3. Kd4 it's possible to eventually force black's king to abandon the pawns.
  5. Standard member Wulebgr
    Angler
    25 Mar '06 17:33
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    I don't see much future in g4 so maybe after 1.Kd2 Kd5 2. Kd3 Ke6 3. Kd4 it's possible to eventually force black's king to abandon the pawns.
    2...Ke6 loses, it seems.

    Black should play 2...f6, killing a tempo to gain the opposition.
  6. 25 Mar '06 17:43 / 1 edit
    why not simply e4?

    if he takes e4 you play e3 and then g4 to get him in zugzwang
  7. Standard member Wulebgr
    Angler
    25 Mar '06 17:54
    Originally posted by Testrider
    why not simply e4?

    if he takes e4 you play e3 and then g4 to get him in zugzwang
    1.e4 fxe4 2.g4 Kd5 looks like a draw to me.

  8. Standard member Derfel Cadarn
    The Mighty
    25 Mar '06 18:28
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    1.Kf3 Kd3 =
    Kf3 Kd3
    g4 fxg4
    Kxg4 Kxe3
    Kf5...and so on
  9. Standard member Wulebgr
    Angler
    25 Mar '06 18:36
    Originally posted by Derfel Cadarn
    Kf3 Kd3
    g4 fxg4
    Kxg4 Kxe3
    Kf5...and so on
    4...f6 =
  10. Standard member Derfel Cadarn
    The Mighty
    25 Mar '06 18:37
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    4...f6 =
    How do you put the little boards on here?
  11. Standard member Wulebgr
    Angler
    25 Mar '06 18:39
    Originally posted by Derfel Cadarn
    How do you put the little boards on here?
    Put a [ in front of the text below:



    fen]8/5p2/8/3k4/4pPP1/8/4K3/8 w - - 0 3[/fen]
  12. Standard member Derfel Cadarn
    The Mighty
    25 Mar '06 18:42
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    4...f6 =
    Gotcha. Was doing it in my head and didn't see that.
  13. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    25 Mar '06 18:42 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Derfel Cadarn
    Kf3 Kd3
    g4 fxg4
    Kxg4 Kxe3
    Kf5...and so on
    No, you can't drop the pawn, the point is to get black to play 2. f6 and then send the king to f3 :

    1. Kd2 Kd4 2. Kd3 f6 3. Ke2 and for example 3 .... Ke4 4. Kf2 Kd4 5. Kf3 looks more like it. Black can't stop white getting connected pawns through and it should be possible for white to gain a tempo by pushing a pawn at the right time.
  14. Standard member Wulebgr
    Angler
    25 Mar '06 19:02
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    1. Kd2 Kd4 2. Kd3 f6 3. Ke2 and for example 3 .... Ke4 4. Kf2 Kd4 5. Kf3 looks more like it. Black can't stop white getting connected pawns through and it should be possible for white to gain a tempo by pushing a pawn at the right time.
    1...Kd4 is illegal
  15. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    25 Mar '06 19:57
    Originally posted by Wulebgr
    1...Kd4 is illegal
    1. ... Kd5 and 4. ... Kd5.