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In ICCF they permit the use of engines - which basically means everybody I play will be using one, so I want something to blundercheck my moves for me and be sure I am not just falling streight into a losing position.
I have had a good taste of what it is like to play against engines unassisted in the 2008 final and it is not great, so if it is legal I might as well give it a try.
Also, I dont really want to pay for a good new one as I wont get much use out of it - they are no fun to play and often they dont like my games when I have analysed them in the past - since I play most of my chess on here now I dont think it is really worth owning one apart from for this purpose.
Originally posted by TyrannosauruschexFruit 2.3.1 is a good free engine. Probably the best free engine is Rybka 2 point something-or-other. Get those two + Arena (also free) and splash out on Modern Chess Analysis by Robin Smith. The book will tell you what the real CC players on ICCF are doing with their engines.
In ICCF they permit the use of engines - which basically means everybody I play will be using one, so I want something to blundercheck my moves for me and be sure I am not just falling streight into a losing position.
I have had a good taste of what it is like to play against engines unassisted in the 2008 final and it is not great, so if it is ...[text shortened]... of my chess on here now I dont think it is really worth owning one apart from for this purpose.
Originally posted by TyrannosauruschexI'm not familiar with the ICCF, but if engines are legal there, it sounds like the tournaments would effectively be centaur-like in nature.
In ICCF they permit the use of engines - which basically means everybody I play will be using one, so I want something to blundercheck my moves for me and be sure I am not just falling streight into a losing position.
I have had a good taste of what it is like to play against engines unassisted in the 2008 final and it is not great, so if it is ...[text shortened]... of my chess on here now I dont think it is really worth owning one apart from for this purpose.
If you just need a blundercheck engine, almost anything will do, except for the weakest of engines. UCI engines are easier to set up than Winboard engines, so you could check out www.superchessengine.com
And if for some reason you want to go with a Winboard engine, try:
http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/index.html
If you need the strongest free engine, that would be Rybka 2.2n2 at:
http://www.rybkachess.com/index.php?auswahl=Demo+version
A decent GUI for whichever engine you choose would be the Arena 1.1 GUI, available at:
http://www.playwitharena.com/
Originally posted by TyrannosauruschexHave you retired as a "cheater hunter" here? Is that what English Tal did after leaving this site, he joined ICCF?
Hello peoples, I am about to play a couple of games in the ICCF and need to get myself an engine (as my opponents will definately be using them) so was wondering whether there were any places people could reccomend for me to download a reasonable one online?
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Originally posted by TyrannosauruschexTaking into account your paranoia and your opinion that you have right to act unsportsmanlike if you think that your opponent don`t act better, I was really surprised that you haven`t start to cheat. Now we have solved this mystery - you did not have an engine 😀
Hello peoples, I am about to play a couple of games in the ICCF and need to get myself an engine (as my opponents will definately be using them) so was wondering whether there were any places people could reccomend for me to download a reasonable one online?
Originally posted by KorchThe really paranoid among us might suspect that Tchex's post was merely disinformation. Of course, I would never think such a thing...
Taking into account your paranoia and your opinion that you have right to act unsportsmanlike if you think that your opponent don`t act better, I was really surprised that you haven`t start to cheat. Now we have solved this mystery - you did not have an engine 😀
Originally posted by Mad RookHello,
I'm not familiar with the ICCF, but if engines are legal there, it sounds like the tournaments would effectively be centaur-like in nature.
If you just need a blundercheck engine, almost anything will do, except for the weakest of engines. UCI engines are easier to set up than Winboard engines, so you could check out www.superchessengine.com
And if fo ...[text shortened]... ever engine you choose would be the Arena 1.1 GUI, available at:
http://www.playwitharena.com/
I've just got the Arena and Rybka2.2n2. So, thanks for the suggestion. Could you let me know how to start analysing a gamethat has already been played? When I click on "analyze now" it just analyses the current position (I think so), but doesn't go over the whole game...
Regards,
Guych.
Originally posted by GuychI don't know about Arena, but in any of the programs I know, the best way to analyse a game is going over positions and variations interactively, so it's not effective to leave the whole analysis to the program.
Hello,
I've just got the Arena and Rybka2.2n2. So, thanks for the suggestion. Could you let me know how to start analysing a gamethat has already been played? When I click on "analyze now" it just analyses the current position (I think so), but doesn't go over the whole game...
Regards,
Guych.
Originally posted by KorchWell there was no need for me to cheat - I am happy enough playing around the 2000 level and knowing it is my own ability. With an engine running as well, I am sure I could get to 2300 but this means that I would have to spend lots more time making my moves and also I would get banned - not much of a good deal in the long term.
Taking into account your paranoia and your opinion that you have right to act unsportsmanlike if you think that your opponent don`t act better, I was really surprised that you haven`t start to cheat. Now we have solved this mystery - you did not have an engine 😀
Anyway, you will be happy to know my rating is not going to be jumping up my hundreds more points round here once I do get an engine - apart from when the timeouts come from the banned users in the 2008 championships, but I am sure most of us will be getting points there...
Originally posted by diskamylSorry, I don't fully understand what you mean... (As far as I see, if I want to save the analysis so that I can look at it later as weeel, I'd have to right down the the parts of analysis I'm interested in for every move separately.)
I don't know about Arena, but in any of the programs I know, the best way to analyse a game is going over positions and variations interactively, so it's not effective to leave the whole analysis to the program.
Originally posted by GuychIn Arena 1.1, you can analyze the game either manually or automatically. I usually do it manually by first loading a game, then clicking on the edit button, then the analyze button, then moving forward and backward through the moves. It's basically a manual method of infinite analysis.
Hello,
I've just got the Arena and Rybka2.2n2. So, thanks for the suggestion. Could you let me know how to start analysing a gamethat has already been played? When I click on "analyze now" it just analyses the current position (I think so), but doesn't go over the whole game...
Regards,
Guych.
The automated method is really slick. Click on the Game menu, then the Analyze submenu. If you've just played a game in Arena and the game is still in memory, you don't have to load anything more. Otherwise, load a game via a PGN or EPD file. Fill in all the appropriate choices in the Analyze submenu, then click on the Start button. It will automatically analyze all the moves and spit out the results into a log file. Cool, huh?
Originally posted by Mad RookAlso, since Rybka 2.2 supports multi-PV mode (analysis of more than one principle variation at one time), if you configure Rybka for more than one PV before running the automated analysis, the output will show multiple engine choices (best move, next best move, etc.) for each move in the game.
In Arena 1.1, you can analyze the game either manually or automatically. I usually do it manually by first loading a game, then clicking on the edit button, then the analyze button, then moving forward and backward through the moves. It's basically a manual method of infinite analysis.
The automated method is really slick. Click on the Game menu, then th ...[text shortened]... will automatically analyze all the moves and spit out the results into a log file. Cool, huh?