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  1. 20 Dec '10 04:45
    Can someone help me understand what that is? That is a completely new term for me and I don't know what it is. Also, tell me if it is worth using.
    Thanks.
  2. Standard member Thabtos
    I am become Death
    20 Dec '10 05:17


    Cutting edge opening theory in 1610.


    Black's king is safe with accurate play, but the position feels uncomfortable for a while.
  3. 20 Dec '10 05:32
    The key element is the knight and bishop focussed on the f pawn threatening to fork queen and rook while the king helplessly looks on.
  4. Standard member atticus2
    Frustrate the Bad
    20 Dec '10 17:53
    Fegatello (Fried Liver) Attack

    Good for both sides at club or blitz level. Rarely played at Master level. Computers have yet to decide whether it is sound for either side! Where player strength is uneven, the stronger player tends to prevail no matter which colour.

    Some things are 'known' though.

    (a) 8....Ne7 in the mainline above appears busted. The preferred choice is 8...Ncb4 with various complex lines thereafter

    (b) the position is defensible for Black with correct play (not easy)

    We played a tourney in the Fried Liver in here a while back. I didn't win it despite having researched the lines extensively. I lost both games to the eventual winner, being eliminated in an early round. He has subsequently been banned. No matter. His engine clearly turned up good resources for both sides of the line - which indicates that there is plenty of scope for creative play in the positions that arise.
  5. 20 Dec '10 18:12
    Originally posted by Thabtos
    [pgn][Event "Rome (Italy)"] [Site "Rome (Italy)"] [Date "1610.??.??"] [EventDate "?"] [Round "?"] [Result "1-0"] [White "Giulio Cesare Polerio"] [Black "Domenico"] [ECO "C57"] [WhiteElo "?"] [BlackElo "?"] [PlyCount "41"] 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nxd5 6.Nxf7 Kxf7 7.Qf3+ Ke6 8.Nc3 Ne7 9.d4 c6 10.Bg5 h6 11.Bxe7 Bxe7 12.O-O-O Rf8 13.Qe4 Rxf2 ...[text shortened]... e with accurate play, but the position feels uncomfortable for a while.
    This is my response to the fried liver attack. Need some help in posting it though!

    Game no: 7939742
  6. 20 Dec '10 18:18 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by michael liddle
    This is my response to the fried liver attack. Need some help in posting it though!

    Game no: 7939742
    From your game, pick game history, then get pgn for the game, and include the pgn text between {pgn} and {/pgn} .

  7. 20 Dec '10 18:25
    Originally posted by Darax The Good
    From your game, pick game history, then get pgn for the game, and include the pgn text between {pgn} and {/pgn} .

    [pgn]
    [Event "Challenge"]
    [Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
    [Date "2010.11.19"]
    [EndDate "2010.11.28"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "kapetan"]
    [Black "michael liddle"]
    [WhiteRating "1499"]
    [BlackRating "1962"]
    [WhiteELO "1499"]
    [Bla ...[text shortened]... 50. Ke3e4 Rb3xa3 51. Ke4f5 Ra3e3 52. b5 Re3xe5 53. Kf5xe5 h4 0-1[/pgn]
    cheers
  8. Standard member Thabtos
    I am become Death
    20 Dec '10 18:54
    I like 5...Na5 against the Liver.
  9. Standard member ChessPraxis
    Cowboy From Hell
    20 Dec '10 18:59 / 1 edit
    I was under the impression it was a FLA only after 5...NxP 6. Nxf7
  10. 20 Dec '10 19:06 / 1 edit
    last i knew, ...Na5 was the saving move for black.
    is this old hat now?
  11. 20 Dec '10 19:14 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by greenerpawn
    last i knew, ...Na5 was the saving move for black.
    is this old hat now?
    5...Na5 is the most common, but not only move!
    5...Nd4 and 5...b5 (often transposing) are both interesting, and as pointed out by others, 5...Nxd5 is also possible if you know what you're doing (and like defending) and leads to the fried liver
    And of course there's also the traxler (called wilkes barre in some exotic countries...) which can lead to some of the most exciting sacrificial attacks for black (4...Bc5 instead of d5)
  12. 21 Dec '10 14:52
    Surprised to see only one game in RHP database with Bronstein's
    piece sac idea at the breakfast table.

    1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Na5 6. d3 h6


    7. Nf3 e4 8. dxe4 Nxc4



    Bronstein v Rojahn.
    Apparently Bronstein thought up the piece sac at the breakfast table
    and asked his team mates (it was an Olympiad) if he could try it.



    Only game on RHP I could find.

    yavexel (1589) - BrainB5 (1040) RHP 2006

  13. 21 Dec '10 19:02
    Oh that is a groovy game.

    These redhotpawn forums sure do provide inspiration.
  14. 22 Dec '10 03:31
    Thanks for the help. I want to study this a lot further. Where did the name come from?
  15. Standard member ChessPraxis
    Cowboy From Hell
    22 Dec '10 05:10
    Originally posted by Porky1016
    Thanks for the help. I want to study this a lot further. Where did the name come from?
    Dutch Treat
    by Hans Ree
    Fried Liver

    http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hans40.txt



    Fegatello! Or, as it is still sometimes called, the Fried Liver
    variation. Fegato alla veneziano, fried liver with onions and
    polenta, is a famous dish, a specialty of the city. The Italian
    masters had already investigated the Fegatello back in the sixteenth
    century and they had given the variation its strange name.


    There seems to be some doubt as to the authenticity of this writing according to wiki.