Fried Liver

Originally posted by Sam The Sham
pawn h6 to prevent the knight from advancing to set up the bishop-knight attack on your f7 pawn.

Originally posted by rubberjaw30
too passive.
next!!

after that move, we have:

[fen]r1bqkbnr/pppp1pp1/2n4p/4p3/2BPP3/5N2/PPP2PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - 0 1[/fen]

d4!
and white is a tempo up in a Scotch Game.

Originally posted by UserChevy
I had an argument today with a friend about whether or not the Fried Liver is a reasonable opening. What are your thoughts on it?

For those of you who don't know it is 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5 Nxd5 6. Nxf7

Edits for spelling 🙂

Fried Liver is a great attack against someone who is about 1400 USCF or under. Otherwise it is somewhat dubious. It would be extremely unwise to initiate against a stronger player, as the stronger player will usually win.

After 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5? d5 5. exd5 b5 leads to an equal position where black is fine and whites attack disappears. This can be a fun tactical variation but again, the stronger player has a better chance of winning this opening rather than a safer opening.

or 5 ... Na5 where white wins a pawn but black gets a decent lead in development and white's attack and development disintegrates. Personally I would not want white here.

Here is a game I played (as white) when I believe in the Fried Liver.

The Fried Liver is fun for chess players under 1400 but after you become stronger you learn that the attack leads to nothing but equality and actually white is worse off if black has a little opening prep against it.

The Two Knights Defense Lives!

It is probably the most exciting opening to study and it can be fun in blitz games but I would not look to play it seriously in a tournament game or correspondence for that matter. Any veteran two knights defense players should know about this dubious yet interesting attack and have their prepared lines against the rookie player who thinks they have found a killing opening.

Game 2361991

I was thinking about playing it in my high school otb matches. I played it in my last one but my oppenent played Ke8 instead of Ke6, which obviously gave white a dominant opening.

Originally posted by Sam The Sham
yer a chess DEMON

I think the Fried Liver is absolutely better for black. Play the Traxler or the pawn sac line as black if you really feel it's necessary to avoid it. The real reason ..Nxd5 is not good for black is d4! (The Lolli Attack)

Originally posted by !~TONY~!
I think the Fried Liver is absolutely better for black. Play the Traxler or the pawn sac line as black if you really feel it's necessary to avoid it. The real reason ..Nxd5 is not good for black is d4! (The Lolli Attack)

Originally posted by !~TONY~!
I think the Fried Liver is absolutely better for black. Play the Traxler or the pawn sac line as black if you really feel it's necessary to avoid it. The real reason ..Nxd5 is not good for black is d4! (The Lolli Attack)

Originally posted by Dutch Defense
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 f5!

Originally posted by Dutch Defense


I have to admit that I didn't play very well. 😳[/b]

I want to share my thoughts, but I'm defending the Black side of a Fried Liver right now simply because I failed to play 1...e6 in a Clan 24492 match. They've even considered booting me from the clan (or should).

Originally posted by rubberjaw30
we could have drawn that conclusion ourselves...

In the past, I've been rather confident playing against the Fried Liver attack. But my latest game gives me some pause: Game 4024561

Originally posted by Wulebgr
In the past, I've been rather confident playing against the Fried Liver attack. But my latest game gives me some pause: Game 4024561