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  1. 23 Nov '08 13:30
    in this chessbase article:
    http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5028
    about a review on:
    Daniel King: Powerplay 7 - Improve Your Pieces

    there is a diagram position from:
    King - Larsen (Hastings 1990)
    What should White play here?

    with the commentary below the picture:
    "This one is a cautionary lesson. White eventually won after 73 moves, but sometimes deep manoeuvring can lead to curious oversights by even the great players."

    I checked the game in the database and Daniel King missed the obvious tactic(N fork)-both Rxb6 and Nxd5 are imediately winning and instead of this hepushed g4 with some plan in mind...

    Ok, the problem is fine, but the commentary on this example is funny: "curious oversights by even the great players"
    Who is the great player here ? I would think of Bent Larsen, but the game was played in 1990, so he was far from his great best...

    Don't tell me the great player was Daniel King because this is too funny
  2. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    23 Nov '08 13:34 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by vipiu
    in this chessbase article:
    http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5028
    about a review on:
    Daniel King: Powerplay 7 - Improve Your Pieces

    there is a diagram position from:
    King - Larsen (Hastings 1990)
    What should White play here?

    with the commentary below the picture:
    "This one is a cautionary lesson. White eventually won after 73 moves, b reat best...

    Don't tell me the great player was Daniel King because this is too funny
    Maybe King considers himself as great player?
  3. 23 Nov '08 14:00 / 1 edit


    1.Rxb6 wins a pawn (1...Rxb6 2.Nxd5+) if Black does not play
    1...Rxb6 then the Black d-pawn is seriously on the spot.

    I think King means that Larsen missed it because he allowed
    it to be in the position and he he too missed it because he
    was concentrating on a plan.

    It's amazing how many two move shots are missed at the top level.

    But I do agree it has a funny side as he does appear to calling
    himself a great player. A good player yes. But a great player conjures
    up thoughts of Morphy. Alekhine, Fischer, Kasparov etc...(inc Larsen).
  4. Standard member Jie
    23 Nov '08 14:08
    vipiu, rather than sound like you are showboating, show us the game and the missed tactic. You know GM titles cannot be bought off the internet like a law degree or some pills.
  5. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    23 Nov '08 14:13
    Originally posted by Jie
    vipiu, rather than sound like you are showboating, show us the game and the missed tactic. You know GM titles cannot be bought off the internet like a law degree or some pills.
    I would suggest to real ALL posts of thread before posting comment - greenpawn34 already showed it in previous post
  6. 23 Nov '08 14:15
    Are you laughing at a GM for perhaps calling himself "a great player"? He must be definitely be a greater player than us title-less players that hang around on internet chess forums. Look in the mirror :-)

    By the way, if you read the article, it was one Sean Marsh who wrote this review. Perhaps the additional text to the diagram was a quote though; I do not know.
  7. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    23 Nov '08 14:22
    Originally posted by heinzkat
    Are you laughing at a GM for perhaps calling himself "a great player"? He must be definitely be a greater player than us title-less players that hang around on internet chess forums. Look in the mirror :-)

    By the way, if you read the article, it was one Sean Marsh who wrote this review. Perhaps the additional text to the diagram was a quote though; I do not know.
    Are you laughing at a GM for perhaps calling himself "a great player"? He must be definitely be a greater player than us title-less players that hang around on internet chess forums. Look in the mirror :-)

    GM title itself does not forbid other non-titled players to have and state their own opinion. And vipiu is not claiming himself a great player.
  8. 23 Nov '08 14:28
    Originally posted by heinzkat
    Are you laughing at a GM for perhaps calling himself "a great player"? He must be definitely be a greater player than us title-less players that hang around on internet chess forums. Look in the mirror :-)

    By the way, if you read the article, it was one Sean Marsh who wrote this review. Perhaps the additional text to the diagram was a quote though; I do not know.
    It does look like it's a quote from the actual DVD.

    But I agree we are poking fun without any of us seeing the DVD.
    I would think Danny would point out the missed shot on the DVD.

    We are just typical RHP Chess Players. 2+2 = 5.

    I am reminded of one of Alekhine;s notes were he suggested a
    variation in a game that actually lost a piece.
    Even the REAL great one's make errors in print.

    I made an error once.... June 1977.

    This guy asked me if I take this women to be my lawful wedded wife?

    I said "Yes." Big Mistake. (don't tell her I said this). :'(
  9. 23 Nov '08 14:34
    Originally posted by heinzkat
    Are you laughing at a GM for perhaps calling himself "a great player"? He must be definitely be a greater player than us title-less players that hang around on internet chess forums. Look in the mirror :-)

    By the way, if you read the article, it was one Sean Marsh who wrote this review. Perhaps the additional text to the diagram was a quote though; I do not know.
    "greater" yes, but by no means "great"...
    Maybe Carlsen will include him in his future books: "My Great Predecesors" ...
  10. Standard member Jie
    23 Nov '08 14:39
    Originally posted by vipiu
    "This one is a cautionary lesson. White eventually won after 73 moves, but sometimes deep manoeuvring can lead to curious oversights by even the great players."
    This whole thread is pointless if it is based on a lack of understanding simple english. Even I can say "T...but sometimes deep manoeuvring can lead to curious oversights by even the great players." without meaning I'm a great player but referring offcourse to the great players. I'm not surprised.....
  11. 23 Nov '08 14:41
    Korch, I think either I did not correctly phrase my message or you misinterpreted it; in any case I do not know how to improve the grammatical construction. I mean to say that he must be a "greater" chess player than us, considering he has gotten himself a GM title and we have played the game for years without any sight on such an achievement [which it is, you cannot deny that].

    Plus, it was said perhaps more about Larsen than about King; and [more importantly] most probably not by King himself but by reviewer Marsh [his name is given more than once in the article].

    Note that this whole "review" appears a commercial advertisement for the DVD rather than a review. Quote:

    "The total run time is just under 5 hours; excellent value for money, as always with ChessBase."

    GP34: wasn't it Tal who missed a backrank mate for his opponent in a variation he gave? I am not sure but something like that pops up in the head. Perhaps it was Alekhine as you say. But I am quite sure about the backrank mate.
  12. 23 Nov '08 14:46
    Originally posted by heinzkat
    [GP34: wasn't it Tal who missed a backrank mate for his opponent in a variation he gave? I am not sure but something like that pops up in the head. Perhaps it was Alekhine as you say. But I am quite sure about the backrank mate.[/b]
    I'm sure all the great players and writers have missed something
    spectactular in their notes.

    I'm correct about Alekhine. I'm off out now, I'll post it later.
    I also know of a classic by Reinfeld. The Tal one rings a bell but
    i would not know where to look for it -Blunders & Brilliancies perhaps.
  13. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    23 Nov '08 14:56
    Originally posted by Jie
    This whole thread is pointless if it is based on a lack of understanding simple english. Even I can say "T...but [b]sometimes deep manoeuvring can lead to curious oversights by even the great players." without meaning I'm a great player but referring offcourse to the great players. I'm not surprised.....[/b]
    Notice for especially stupid trolls: One of the players who made that oversight seems to be author of that statement.
  14. Standard member Jie
    23 Nov '08 15:16
    Why are some children unable to conduct discussions like adults? Is it because they are still children?
  15. 23 Nov '08 15:24
    Originally posted by heinzkat
    Korch, I think either I did not correctly phrase my message or you misinterpreted it; in any case I do not know how to improve the grammatical construction. I mean to say that he must be a "greater" chess player than us, considering he has gotten himself a GM title and we have played the game for years without any sight on such an achievement [which it is, ...[text shortened]... he head. Perhaps it was Alekhine as you say. But I am quite sure about the backrank mate.
    Alekhine wrote an unsound game analyses in a tournament book.Forgot which tournament.Never heard about Tal's error,would be intrested to learn about it