Game Analysis

Originally posted by dpressnell
Chessmaster 10th Edition recommends 42. Nxd5 for white.

For black, 47... Be1 or Qg4+

Black missed a mate in 9 starting with 52... Re3 or 54... Re3, and had a mate in 8 with 57... Qh3+

interesting thanks...

how does mate follow in 8 with Qh3+? This is a sequence I worked out...

Qg4h3+, kg2f2, Re3xf3+, Kf2xf3, Qh3xf1+ but didn`t follow it through from there any ideas?

Originally posted by Chakan
interesting thanks...

how does mate follow in 8 with Qh3+? This is a sequence I worked out...

Qg4h3+, kg2f2, Re3xf3+, Kf2xf3, Qh3xf1+ but didn`t follow it through from there any ideas?

Surely once black saves his rook from the g3 pawn and his checks stop, permanent check and/or losing the same rook to the queen via a pin against the black king in the g or h file has to be the outcome? So the safest route for black is to offer a draw via repetition around move 57?

But perhaps this only speaks to my limited vision!🙄

Originally posted by zorro34us
Surely once black saves his rook from the g3 pawn and his checks stop, permanent check and/or losing the same rook to the queen via a pin against the black king in the g or h file has to be the outcome? So the safest route for black is to offer a draw via repetition around move 57?

But perhaps this only speaks to my limited vision!🙄

According to CM, the checks don't stop.

Here's an alternative to an attempt by White to flee differently:

57. Rf3 Qh3+
58. Kf2 Rxf3+
59. Kxf3 Qxf1+
60. Ke3 Qe1+
61. Kf3 Qe4+
62. Kf2 Rh2+
63. Kg1 Qh1#

Originally posted by Chakan
Hi

Would the higher ups or anybody really analyse this game for me. It ended as a draw, but there must have been a point when either my opponent or myself could have pulled out a win. I think for myself taking the bishop (move 52) was a mistake on my part. Could I get an idea of what I should have done to pull out a win and also what my opponent could have done as well that would secure a win.

Many thanks

Game 1506172

Some notes on the game:

20...Rxg3+!? is very interesting...Black gets a bunch of pawns for the Rook. 21.fxg3 Qxg3+ 22.Rg2 Qxe3+ and White has the choice between losing his h- and d-pawns or allowing his Rook to be pinned after 23.R~f2 Bg3.

24...e4! and the threat of ...Rxh4+ is winning.

25...Kd8? is a mistake. ...Rxh4+! is still there, waiting to be played. After the text, White takes over.

White missed 42.Nxd5+! cxd5 43.Rxc8 Rxc8 44.Qxb4.

And, as pointed out by many, Black mates with 52...Re3. It's simple, really - just gang up on g3, and White has no good way to defend.

Originally posted by Chakan
Hi

Would the higher ups or anybody really analyse this game for me. It ended as a draw, but there must have been a point when either my opponent or myself could have pulled out a win. I think for myself taking the bishop (move 52) was a mistake on my part. Could I get an idea of what I should have done to pull out a win and also what my opponent could have done as well that would secure a win.

Many thanks

Game 1506172

You should have played 25. Rxh4.

D

Originally posted by Rebounder
Could anyone analyze this?

Sorry, here it is: http://www.redhotpawn.com/gameanalysis/boardhistory.php?gameid=1510018

Originally posted by Rebounder
Sorry, here it is: http://www.redhotpawn.com/gameanalysis/boardhistory.php?gameid=1510018

2.Qh5? is a serious error. Black's reply wins a pawn for free. This is why you're not supposed to bring the Queen out too early.

8.c5? is a pointless move. You should be getting other pieces into play, instead of just letting them sit on their home row. 8.Be2 is better, for example.

And finally, 10.Qxb7?? loses immediately. Always look at every check and capture before moving.

Originally posted by Chakan
Hi

Would the higher ups or anybody really analyse this game for me. It ended as a draw, but there must have been a point when either my opponent or myself could have pulled out a win. I think for myself taking the bishop (move 52) was a mistake on my part. Could I get an idea of what I should have done to pull out a win and also what my opponent could have done as well that would secure a win.

Many thanks

Game 1506172

[Event "Open invite"]
[Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2005.10.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Chakan"]
[Black "zorro34us"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[PlyCount "114"]
[EventDate "2005.??.??"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 {last book move} 4. h3 {-0.36/12} e6 {-0.32/11} 5.
Bg5 {-0.52/11} Bb4 {-0.20/11} 6. a3 {-0.52/12} Ba5 {0.17/13} ({Fritz 9:} 6...
Bxc3+ 7. bxc3 Qa5 8. cxd5 Qxc3+ 9. Bd2 Qxd4 10. dxe6 Bxe6 11. Nf3 Qd8 12. Rb1 {
-0.52/12}) 7. b4 {0.17/12} Bb6 {0.17/11} 8. c5 {-0.13/14} Bc7 {-0.12/12} 9. e3
{-0.39/10} b6 {0.08/11} 10. Nf3 {0.08/11} Nbd7 {0.43/11} 11. Bd3 {0.43/10} a5 {
0.73/10} 12. bxa5 {-0.83/11} Rxa5 {0.40/12} ({Fritz 9:} 12... bxc5 13. O-O Ba6
14. Bxa6 Rxa6 15. Qe2 Rxa5 16. e4 cxd4 {-0.83/11}) 13. cxb6 {0.40/12} Bxb6 {
0.39/10} 14. Ne5 {-0.88/11} ({Fritz 9:} 14. O-O c5 15. Nb5 c4 16. Nd6+ Kf8 17.
Bc2 Bc7 18. Nxc8 Qxc8 19. Qe2 Ne4 20. Rfb1 Kg8 {0.39/10}) 14... Qc7 {0.58/12} (
{Fritz 9:} 14... Nxe5 15. dxe5 d4 16. Na4 Rxe5 17. Nxb6 Rxg5 18. Nxc8 {-0.88/11
}) 15. Nxd7 {0.66/11} Bxd7 {0.89/12} 16. Bxf6 {0.42/14} gxf6 {0.39/12} 17. O-O
{0.12/11} Qd6 {0.36/12} 18. a4 {-0.12/13} Bc7 {-0.12/14} 19. g3 {0.00/12} Rg8 {
0.20/11} 20. Ra2 {0.20/12} Qf8 {0.58/12} 21. h4 {0.00/11} e5 {0.43/12} 22. Bxh7
{0.43/12} Rh8 {0.43/12} 23. Bd3 {-0.47/12} ({Fritz 9:} 23. Qc2 Qd6 24. Bf5 Kf8
25. Ne2 c5 26. Bxd7 Qxd7 27. dxc5 Qc6 28. Rc1 Rh5 29. Raa1 f5 {0.43/12}) 23...
Qg7 {-0.54/10} 24. Kh2 {-2.81/12} exd4 {-1.68/14} ({Fritz 9:} 24... e4 25. f4
exd3 26. Qxd3 Kf8 27. e4 Qg6 28. Re2 {-2.81/12}) 25. exd4 {-1.40/12} Kd8 {
0.73/14} 26. f4 {0.73/12} Rg8 {0.73/12} 27. Rg1 {0.71/11} f5 {1.11/12} 28. Be2
{0.50/12} ({Fritz 9:} 28. Ne2 Ke7 29. Qb1 Qg4 30. Qb7 Kd6 31. Qb3 Ke7 {1.11/12}
) 28... Bb6 {0.50/13} 29. Rd2 {0.39/11} Kc7 {0.99/12} 30. Rg2 {0.44/11} Raa8 {
0.96/12} 31. Bf3 {0.92/10} Be6 {1.12/11} 32. Ne2 {0.93/11} Bd7 {1.62/12} ({
Fritz 9:} 32... Qf6 33. Rc2 Ra5 34. Rb2 Raa8 35. Rg1 Bc8 36. Qc2 Ba6 37. a5
Bxd4 {0.93/11}) 33. Qc1 {1.22/12} Kd6 {1.83/12} ({Fritz 9:} 33... Ra5 34. Rg1
Rxa4 35. Bxd5 Bxd4 36. Nxd4 Rxd4 37. Bf3 Ra8 38. Qb2 Rxd2+ 39. Qxd2 Ra3 {
1.22/12}) 34. Qb2 {1.54/11} Ba5 {1.73/13} 35. Rd1 {1.38/12} Rab8 {1.78/12} 36.
Qa3+ {1.18/14} Bb4 {1.11/12} 37. Qb3 {0.95/12} f6 {1.99/13} ({Fritz 9:} 37...
Ke7 38. Qe3+ Kf8 39. Qe5 Ra8 40. Qc7 Be8 41. Rb1 Be7 {0.95/12}) 38. Ra1 {
1.54/12} Qh7 {1.79/12} 39. Kh3 {1.18/12} ({Fritz 9:} 39. Nc3 Ba5 40. Qc2 Bb6
41. Ne2 Ba7 42. Re1 Qh6 {1.79/12}) 39... Rgc8 {1.49/12} 40. Rc1 {0.62/12} ({
Fritz 9:} 40. Nc1 Ke7 41. Nd3 Bd6 42. Qc3 Kf7 43. a5 Kg7 44. Nc5 {1.49/12})
40... Be8 {2.76/13} 41. Nc3 {3.03/11} Ke7 {7.09/11} ({Fritz 9:} 41... Kd7 {
3.03/11}) 42. Re2+ {2.15/12} ({Fritz 9:} 42. Nxd5+ Kf8 43. Nxb4 Qa7 44. Rc5 Rc7
45. Qa3 {7.09/11}) 42... Kf8 {3.11/12} ({Fritz 9:} 42... Kd8 43. Kg2 Ba5 44.
Qa2 Bf7 45. Re3 Rc7 46. Qe2 Bb6 {2.15/12}) 43. Rce1 {0.43/11} ({Fritz 9:} 43.
Nxd5 Bd6 44. Nxf6 {3.11/12}) 43... Bh5 {0.43/14} 44. Bxh5 {0.33/13} Qxh5 {
0.33/12} 45. Rf2 {-0.39/11} ({Fritz 9:} 45. Kg2 c5 46. dxc5 Ba5 47. Qa3 {
0.33/12}) 45... Kg7 {0.00/11} 46. Ra1 {-0.62/11} ({Fritz 9:} 46. Qc2 Qg4+ 47.
Kg2 Rh8 48. Re6 Rxh4 49. Nxd5 {0.00/11}) 46... Re8 {-0.62/12} 47. Na2 {-4.60/13
} Bd6 {0.38/13} ({Fritz 9:} 47... Be1 48. Qf3 Qg4+ 49. Qxg4+ fxg4+ 50. Kxg4
Bxf2 51. Rd1 Re4 52. Rc1 Re2 53. Nc3 Rd2 {-4.60/13}) 48. Qc3 {-0.33/11} ({
Fritz 9:} 48. Qf3 Qf7 49. Rc2 Qd7 50. Nc3 Rb4 51. Ne2 Reb8 52. Kg2 {0.38/13})
48... Qg4+ {-0.36/15} 49. Kg2 {-0.64/13} Re4 {-0.64/12} 50. Raf1 {-0.36/10} Rh8
{-0.16/10} 51. Qxc6 {-15.55/13} Rxh4 {-15.36/10} 52. Qxd6 {-#10/5} Qh3+ {
-6.19/15} ({Fritz 9:} 52... Re3 {-#10/5}) 53. Kf3 {-6.19/13} Qg4+ {0.00/11} ({
Fritz 9:} 53... Rg4 54. Rg1 Qh5 55. Rc2 Rgxf4+ 56. Kg2 Re2+ 57. Rxe2 Qxe2+ 58.
Kh3 Rf2 59. g4 Rf3+ 60. Qg3 fxg4+ 61. Kh4 Rxg3 62. Rxg3 Qxa2 63. Rxg4+ Kf7 64.
Kg3 Qxa4 65. Kh4 Qc2 {-6.19/13}) 54. Kg2 {-#10/7} Re3 {-#9/9} 55. Rf3 {-#8/2}
Re2+ {0.00/15} ({Fritz 9:} 55... Qh3+ 56. Kf2 {-#8/2}) 56. R3f2 {-0.09/13} Re3
{0.00/17} 57. Rf3 {-#8/5} Re2+ {0.00/19} ({Fritz 9:} 57... Qh3+ 58. Kf2 Rxf3+
59. Kxf3 Qxf1+ 60. Ke3 Qe1+ 61. Kd3 Qxg3+ 62. Kc2 Rh2+ 63. Kb1 Qb3+ 64. Kc1
Qc2# {-#8/5}) 1/2-1/2