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  1. 14 Aug '12 21:19
    Svetozar Gligoric (2 February 1923 - 14 August 2012) has died in Belgrade.
    In the 1950s-60s, Gligoric was one of top players outside the USSR.
    Just before Bobby Fischer's rise, Gligoric might well have been regarded as
    the best player outside the USSR.

    Gligoric's record against world champions includes:
    Mikhail Botvinnik +2 =5 -2
    Vasily Smyslov +5 =21 -7
    Tigran Petrosian +7 =10 -10
    Bobby Fischer +4 =6 -6

    Gligoric's wins over Petrosian, who was extremely hard to defeat, are noteworthy.
    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1106885

    Near the end of his life, Gligoric affirmed his love of music by recording a CD.
    Svetozar Gligoric played well on the chessboard and led a good life away from it.
  2. 14 Aug '12 21:36
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Svetozar Gligoric (2 February 1923 - 14 August 2012) has died in Belgrade.
    In the 1950s-60s, Gligoric was one of top players outside the USSR.
    Just before Bobby Fischer's rise, Gligoric might well have been regarded as
    the best player outside the USSR.

    Gligoric's record against world champions includes:
    Mikhail Botvinnik +2 =5 -2
    Vasily Smyslov +5 ...[text shortened]... ding a CD.
    Svetozar Gligoric played well on the chessboard and led a good life away from it.
    He was a great player. I Play Against Pieces is an excellent book of is annotated games.
  3. 14 Aug '12 21:39
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Svetozar Gligoric (2 February 1923 - 14 August 2012) has died in Belgrade.
    In the 1950s-60s, Gligoric was one of top players outside the USSR.
    Just before Bobby Fischer's rise, Gligoric might well have been regarded as
    the best player outside the USSR.

    Gligoric's record against world champions includes:
    Mikhail Botvinnik +2 =5 -2
    Vasily Smyslov +5 ...[text shortened]... ding a CD.
    Svetozar Gligoric played well on the chessboard and led a good life away from it.
    Thanks for the info.

    I am a great admirer of Gligoric and his attitude to chess.

    As you point out, he was not obsessed by the game but still managed to play at the highest level.

    RIP
  4. 14 Aug '12 23:07
    Tal gave him problems. He was only +2=22-10 against him.

    How many great or notable age 65+ GMs still survive?

    Bisguier and Spassky and Korchnoi are all I can think of.
  5. 14 Aug '12 23:14
    A fantastic chess player - one of my first few chess books was his book on the Fischer Spassky match.
  6. 15 Aug '12 00:21
    Originally posted by homedepotov
    Tal gave him problems. He was only +2=22-10 against him.

    How many great or notable age 65+ GMs still survive?

    Bisguier and Spassky and Korchnoi are all I can think of.
    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in
    your philosophy."
    --Hamlet

    As far as I know, Yuri Averbakh (born 8 February 1922) is the oldest GM today.
    For a man to live at least 65 years is hardly unusual today in many societies,
    so I expect that there are more "age 65+ GMs" than I could name in a short post.

    This is far from a comprehensive list, but I can readily think of (I did look up
    their years of birth just to be certain) also Taimanov (1926), Benko (1928),
    Byrne (1928), Matanovic (1930), Pomar (1931), Ivkov (1933), Matulovic (1935)
    Panno (1935) , Uhlmann (1935), Lombardy (1937), Portisch (1937), Gheorghiu
    (1944), Hort (1944), Westerinen (1944), Suttles (1945), Tukmakov (1946)...
    If this list seems Eurocentric, it's because until recently there were extremely
    few GMs from Asia (apart from the Asian USSR) or Africa.

    One way to create a list is simply to remember who played for strong countries
    in an event like the 1972 Olympiad and to wonder which of them has died.
  7. 15 Aug '12 02:05
    Gligoric was also interesting as a person.
    Not in the way we usually imagine chess players like crazy nerds.
    Gligoric used to say for himself "I am ego maniac but a normal one!"
    He has recently published autobigpraphy in which he described his war years. ("I went to the war in my blue crombie coat, and we had to fight a German machine gun nest..." He also described his match aginst Tal in 1968: when he was writing his move in abandoned game, one spectator looked over his shoulder and said the move to Tal! Tal cursed loudly because he was fair... but Gligoric lost the game... He desicrbed how he had proposed his future wife...)

    Gligoric died of stroke last nigth.

    He was fascinated with music all his life, and only in advanced age he took lessons of harmony and composing, and he learned how to use computer to compose.
    he had published 2 cd with lyrics in English.

    His apartment was in fact a chess museum.

    He was nice fellow, gentleman of chess, he tried to bring Fischer back to chess in 1978, but he was also a day dreamer, lonesome, but never in the sense of hermit chess "lunatics" as Hubner or Fischer.

    He never smoked, he played football for fitness even in his late seventies.
  8. 15 Aug '12 02:47
    Originally posted by vandervelde
    Gligoric was also interesting as a person.
    Not in the way we usually imagine chess players like crazy nerds.
    Gligoric used to say for himself "I am ego maniac but a normal one!"
    He has recently published autobigpraphy in which he described his war years. ("I went to the war in my blue crombie coat, and we had to fight a German machine gun nest..." H ...[text shortened]... or Fischer.

    He never smoked, he played football for fitness even in his late seventies.
    Given that Svetozar Gligoric was regarded as a national hero, first in Yugoslavia
    and then in Serbia, do you know if he will be given a state funeral in Belgrade?
  9. 15 Aug '12 10:12
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Given that Svetozar Gligoric was regarded as a national hero, first in Yugoslavia
    and then in Serbia, do you know if he will be given a state funeral in Belgrade?
    Serbian highest officials expressed condolences to the Chess Assosiation of Serbia, because Gligoric has no relatives /childless widower/, and press said as always in such occasions: date and place of funeral will be announced later.

    I expect though a state funeral - there is an area on Belgrade cemetery for distuingshed artists etc - after a memmorial session in Serbian Chess Federation.
  10. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    15 Aug '12 12:52
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in
    your philosophy."
    --Hamlet

    As far as I know, Yuri Averbakh (born 8 February 1922) is the oldest GM today.
    For a man to live at least 65 years is hardly unusual today in many societies,
    so I expect that there are more "age 65+ GMs" than I could name in a short post.

    This ...[text shortened]... strong countries
    in an event like the 1972 Olympiad and to wonder which of them has died.
    You must be pretty old to remember back that far. At least, you don't seem to have Alzheimer's.
  11. Subscriber Paul Leggett
    Chess Librarian
    15 Aug '12 14:58
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    You must be pretty old to remember back that far. At least, you don't seem to have Alzheimer's.
    Really? A great GM passes away, and your contribution to the thread is this? 😞
  12. Subscriber Ponderable
    chemist
    15 Aug '12 15:00
    Originally posted by homedepotov
    How many great or notable age 65+ GMs still survive?

    First of all : chapeau to Gligoric who certainly lived an intersting life and was a great man and chessplayer.

    As for homedepotov's question:

    There is a list in wikipedia, which you can sort: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chess_grandmasters

    My count is about 90 living GM's over 65.
  13. 15 Aug '12 18:14 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Paul Leggett
    Really? A great GM passes away, and your contribution to the thread is this? 😞
    Really? A great GM passes away, and your contribution to the thread is this? 😞


    Oops ... Now, we're all doing it!

    Just joking Paul ... and remember Don't Feed The Troll!
  14. 15 Aug '12 18:30 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    You must be pretty old to remember back that far. At least, you don't seem to have Alzheimer's.
    Actually, I have (though I can't find it now) a book on the 1972 Chess Olympiad,
    which I expect that I can read at any age (at least until I lose my eyesight).

    I also have a book about Paul Morphy. Ah, how that brings back some of my
    remembrances of life in the good ol' South--the moonlight and magnolias,
    oh but the corsets too (sigh) "I do declare!" (my Scarlett O'Hara impression).
    I might be able to share a scandalous personal anecdote about Paul Morphy
    if I had not promised never to tell! 😉

    I hope that this thread will only keep discussing the late Svetozar Gligoric.
  15. 15 Aug '12 19:16
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    ...
    As far as I know, Yuri Averbakh (born 8 February 1922) is the oldest GM today.
    For a man to live at least 65 years is hardly unusual today in many societies,
    so I expect that there are more "age 65+ GMs" than I could name in a short post.
    ...
    As far as I know, Nona Gaprindashvili (born 3 May 1941) is the only
    woman GM (not WGM) who's at least 65 years old today.