Originally posted by robbie carrobieDoesn't it look like 7 Bd7 is what causes the loss of the pawn? If the B just went back home the knight could go to d7 to support the f6 knight and thus save the pawn. The bishop could later go to b7 or a6.
In his DVD on the Caro Kaan, Grandmaster Davies gives the following line as a way of playing against the exchange variation 1.e4 c6, 2.d4 d5, 3.exd cxd and Bd3, as popularised by the great Fischer. He cites an old idea of Tartakower, to play ...Qc7 to prevent the dark squared bishop coming to f4. If white develops naturally with Nf3 then its fine, h ...[text shortened]... ou suggest a simple and easy line against the exchange variation - regards Robbie.
Originally posted by greenpawn34sigh this is why i am destined to be an eternal patzer great green pawn. Of course you are absolutely correct. In practice white does not take the pawn but moves the queen to d4 instead and surprise surprise, white has a terrible record against the variation, down in the low thirties or something. Thank you GB you have restored my confidence, perhaps it was the sharpness of the position that spooked me, me no like sharp positions
"......where is the compensation for the pawn? In fact who in their right mind would accept this position?
It appears to me to be nothing more than madness...."
[fen]r3k2r/ppqb1ppp/5b2/3Qn3/8/2P2P2/PPB1N1PP/RN2K2R b KQkq - 0 13[/fen]
(that Bg5 is a tempo wasting pawn stealing idea breaking all the principles
of openin ...[text shortened]... or him to get
confused. (an excuse once use by Tarrasch for blowing a far superior position.)
Originally posted by greenpawn34What is a QSM plan?
You are not a patzer Robbie.
You have read too much too quick and missed out the basics.
Queen side majorities are good things to see in a game and writers
can make it look Oh so easy using the games of Capa etc against opponents
who played the correct moves v a QSM but not the best moves.
(they had chances to gamble and make it messy by thro ...[text shortened]... hole game comes to life.
But it is good, very good, that you question things and try things.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHi Robbie,
it was a real big thing back in Capas time, now though, because of computers, i suspect that strategic aims are carried out much more dynamically. Perhaps GP or someone else can cite an instance of this.
Originally posted by Paul Leggettyou should, it would be really quite interesting, i was following a game, i cannot remember where it was, but Anand was playing the black side of a Slav and the commentator was making the point that whereas before, the strategic ideas where usually worked out strategically, Anand was now using the pieces to apply the same strategic idea, but doing so dynamically rather than purely positionally, if that makes sense and my own thought was that it had to do with computer preparation. I think it was that awesome game against Aronian where he had several pieces en prise. It struck me that this is where chess may infact have changed, in Capas day, the importance of a QSM was just being realised, now it may be redundant because of computers which rely much more on dynamics. This was further enhanced in my mind by another game where Carlson was playing Anand, and had a 2v1 QSM and Anand had a backward pawn but it was not enough for a victory.
I was thinking on posting on this subject, and now thay you've opened the door, I will!
Writing as a fellow sometime-Colle player, I can attest that every Colle opening book writer extolls the virtues of the Queenside pawn majority (QSM) as the Colle player's salvation whenever the kingside attack does not materialize.
While the QSM keting hype (or any opening book marketing hype) is not always equal to the reality of play.
Originally posted by imbalancesYou are most welcome, i have just started to adopt the CK. Against the advance variation I think that posting the bishop to f5 is asking for it, black must go through all sorts of contortions and his pieces end up on unnatural squares, i much prefer the simple 3...c5, instead of 3...Nf5, if we are prepared to give up a pawn we get all sorts of compensation and easy play on the queen side
Thanks for the post. I play caro a lot, but rarely do I get the exchange variation in correspondence games - usually white prefers the tangled advance variation.