Originally posted by kmac27David Tebb is not a Grand Master, although despite that I think that he's a player we all respect. Most very strong OTB players aren't that great at correspondence chess, and vice versa. I think that it's more in the 1400 - 1800 band that you get real synergy.
how many grandmasters do you think play cc chess? i know david tebb does but does anyone else play it as well? maybe one of the top players in the world now? just curious.
In the words of Tal: "I drink, I smoke, I chase pretty girls; but correspondence chess is a vice I do not have..."
David Tebb isn't a GM. He isn't even an IM. However he is still one of the best non-engine players on this site.
It isn't until you get to a pretty high level that you realise how strong an International Master is. I've played several IMs and it's worse than playing a strong engine, at least an engine will play logical moves - an IM will realise when they have a worse position and quickly drag you into a deep tactical guagmire and drown you there.
last summer i was in a tournament and i was waiting for people to show up. i asked the tournament director if he'd like to play a game. i knew he would kill me but it would be nice to watch how he played an opening against me. he turned me down and i had seen him around in tournaements hes been playing chess probably for 40 years and i know hes an IM maybe even a GM but i didn't get a chance to play him. 🙁
Originally posted by DeepThought"Play correspondence chess!" - Boris Spassky on being asked how to improve
Most very strong OTB players aren't that great at correspondence chess, and vice versa. I think that it's more in the 1400 - 1800 band that you get real synergy.
In the words of Tal: "I drink, I smoke, I chase pretty girls; but correspondence chess is a vice I do not have..."
"I often had as many as 150 [correspondence] games in progress. [It] had the useful effect of deepening my theoretical knowledge and giving me an insight into all aspects of the game. Later on this proved of great value to me in tournament play." - Paul Keres
"Correspondence chess and over-the-board chess complement each other." - Alexander Alekhine
But . . . I think nowadays it's different for top players, due to computers. Theory moves too fast, and there's a 2700 opponent on your PC to practice with.
RHP's #3 player has drawn the current ICCF #1 and agreed to draw against a World Champion despite being pawn up in CC.
From chesslive.de database...
[Event "NED-ch10 corr"]
[Site "Netherlands"]
[Date "1980.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Weyerstrass, Ronald"]
[Black "Euwe, Max"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A11"]
[PlyCount "67"]
[EventDate "1980.??.??"]
1. c4 Nf6 2. g3 c6 3. Bg2 d5 4. Nf3 dxc4 5. Qc2 b5 6. b3 cxb3 7. axb3 Bb7 8.
Ba3 g6 9. d4 a5 10. Nbd2 Bg7 11. O-O O-O 12. e3 Nfd7 13. Ne1 Na6 14. Nd3 Re8
15. f4 Qc7 16. Rfc1 Nb6 17. Nc5 Nxc5 18. Qxc5 Rac8 19. Qc2 a4 20. Bc5 axb3 21.
Bxb6 Qxb6 22. Nxb3 Ra8 23. Qc5 Qxc5 24. Nxc5 Rxa1 25. Rxa1 Ra8 26. Rb1 Ra7 27.
Nxb7 Rxb7 28. Bxc6 Rb8 29. Bxb5 e6 30. Kf2 f5 31. Ke2 Bf8 32. Rb3 Kf7 33. Kd3
Bd6 34. e4 1/2-1/2
[Event "NED-ch10 corr"]
[Site "Netherlands"]
[Date "1980.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Weyerstrass, Ronald"]
[Black "Van Oosterom, Joop J"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A22"]
[PlyCount "47"]
[EventDate "1980.??.??"]
1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. g3 Bb4 4. Bg2 O-O 5. e4 Bxc3 6. dxc3 d6 7. Qe2 Nbd7 8.
Nf3 a6 9. Bg5 b5 10. Nd2 Nc5 11. O-O h6 12. Bxf6 Qxf6 13. Nb3 Na4 14. Rab1 Be6
15. Nd2 Qe7 16. Rfc1 Rfb8 17. b3 Nb6 18. cxb5 axb5 19. Nf1 Nd7 20. Ne3 Nc5 21.
Rb2 Ra7 22. Rd1 Qe8 23. f3 f6 24. Bf1 1/2-1/2
Seems like he's played the same opening the last 35+ years...
Scroll down a bit to see "Over-the-board players who also play correspondence chess":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correspondence_chess
Some of these are not GM's, but still...great games...
Yakov Estrin vs Hans Berliner
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1224863
Oosterom-Timmerman
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1321625
Larsen-Odd Lie
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1077560
Ivar Bern vs Michel Lecroq (KID)
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1444777
Keres mated in 12 moves in CC:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1073523
Correspondence chess does not appeal to professional chess players because of
- it takes too long to finish a tournament
- there are no prizes like in top level chess
- ICCF allows engines or is silent on them meaning those players produce computerised results. I wonder how many ICCF titles Fritz has won with no credit to Franz Morsch?
On the likes of PlayChess/ICC you can regularly see players such as Short, Adams, Kamsky, Nakamura etc
Sites like this one which bar engines appeal to club-level/strong amateurs who want to try out new openings etc.
Originally posted by z00tnone. they use engines for blunder checking, not for selecting moves.
no prizes like in top level chess
- ICCF allows engines or is silent on them meaning those players produce computerised results. I wonder how many ICCF titles Fritz has won with no credit to Franz Morsch?
Originally posted by wormwoodLook at http://amici.iccf.com/issues/issue_05/issue_05_Chess_engines.html where a CC GM notices that his opponent is using Fritz 8 and decides to "trap" him.
none. they use engines for blunder checking, not for selecting moves.
Such blatant outside help should be reported to the ICCF except that the ICCF allows such abuse Do you think any OTB GM would like to join such a "circus"?
Originally posted by z00tif they don't like cc, they obviously shouldn't take part. I can see no problem.
Look at http://amici.iccf.com/issues/issue_05/issue_05_Chess_engines.html where a CC GM notices that his opponent is using Fritz 8 and decides to "trap" him.
[b]Such blatant outside help should be reported to the ICCF except that the ICCF allows such abuse Do you think any OTB GM would like to join such a "circus"?[/b]