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I set my opponent up for a queen trap only to blow it by playing 14...Qd7 instaed of 14...Qc8. I knew I had to defend the bishop so I could play 15...Nh5.

I'm so pissed!! I have no desire to see 15.Bb5 although my game is still possibly playable.

And what would you say about the isolated pawn. Is it common for black to have an isolated pawn in QP openings? And how is it taken care of please?

Ah...an elaborate queen trap only to be refuted by a dumb skewer!!

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7 edits = terrible 😉

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Originally posted by orion25
7 edits = terrible 😉
Nah I kept adding new stuff. I'm not thinking straight right now. I'm so vexed.

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I predict 14...Qc8 isn`t good either.
For example 15.Bxd6 Nh5 16.Qh4 g5 17.Qxh6

As for isolated queen pawn positions they are definately common in
QP openings as well as in other ones like the caro kann.


As for how to take care of it well just play in the centre more or less and attack if possible.

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Also 14...Qc8 15.Bxd6 Nh5 16.Bh7+ Kxh7 17.Qd3+

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Originally posted by Mad Rook
Also 14...Qc8 15.Bxd6 Nh5 16.Bh7+ Kxh7 17.Qd3+
Didn't see the check . I guess i was truly lost then. Thanks guys

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Originally posted by Mad Rook
Also 14...Qc8 15.Bxd6 Nh5 16.Bh7+ Kxh7 17.Qd3+
Forgive the ignorance, but why is this bad for black? 17. ... Qf5 18. Qxf5 Bxf5 seems ok.

Goshen, commiserations on the blunder.

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Originally posted by Meadows
Forgive the ignorance, but why is this bad for black? 17. ... Qf5 18. Qxf5 Bxf5 seems ok.

Goshen, commiserations on the blunder.
No, please forgive ME for my lack of communication. I only meant to show that the white queen wasn't really trapped, not that it was bad for Black 😳

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Originally posted by Mad Rook
No, please forgive ME for my lack of communication. I only meant to show that the white queen wasn't really trapped, not that it was bad for Black 😳
Ah! Now I understand. Thank you 🙂

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Originally posted by Meadows
Goshen, commiserations on the blunder.
Thanks. Hopefully it won't happen again. At least not like this.

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Originally posted by National Master Dale
17.Qxh6
Not possible.

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A lot of us suck.

Paul Leggett
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When I think of IQP in 1.d4 games, the Tarrasch Defense to the QGD immediately comes to mind, although you can also get an IQP position from a variety of QGD and QGA positions, and also from some lines of the Nimzo- and Queen's Indian Defenses.

GM John Emms has an awesome chapter on IQPs in his book "Simple Chess". That book, and the sequel "More Simple Chess" are superb, and I highly recommend them.

I have read a generalization in more than one place that I will share. The generalization is that the player with the IQP tends to get attacking chances and a good game when the IQP is created, but the advantage tends to decline with each move, and if the IQP is still on the board (and still in its role as an isolated pawn) after 10-15 moves, the advantages have usually evaporated, and the player is left with a late middle game or early endgame with an inferior pawn structure.

IQP's tend to be used best when they can be advanced and liquidated as part of the initiative.

My edit: It occurred to me after I originally posted that Garry Kasparov and John Nunn both played the Tarrasch Defense when they were young GMs, and I bet you could get some really high class examples of IQP positions from their games. Just a thought!

Paul Leggett

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Originally posted by Eladar
A lot of us suck.
If I play you I'm sure I'll rip you apart. This was just a momentary lapse.

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Originally posted by Paul Leggett


I have read a generalization in more than one place that I will share. The generalization is that the player with the IQP tends to get attacking chances and a good game when the IQP is created, but the advantage tends to decline with each move, and if the IQP is still on the board (and still in its role as an isolated pawn) after 10-15 moves, the a ...[text shortened]... really high class examples of IQP positions from their games. Just a thought!

Paul Leggett
thanks Paul but how does an IQP further an attack? White just has to put a piece right in front of it and render it null, void and immobile.

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