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  1. 08 Aug '06 16:01 / 1 edit
    Anyone got some good games involving a strong sacrifice?

    Here are two of my favorite:
    Game 2319944

    I've posted that one in another thread already

    Game 2353753

    That one was full of pawn sacs, starting with the King's Gambit opening, then 11. Qxf3 gambiting by d pawn for more development, and ending with 20. Qf2! where 20. ...Bxc3? is screwed over by 21. Qb6+ Kc8 22. Re7! where the line I had prepared was the forced 22. ...Bd4 23. Qxd4 which wins a bishop
  2. 08 Aug '06 16:19
    sacs, sacs, sacs....

    why is it that games arn't considered good unless they have a sac somewhere?

    Is there something wrong with forming an attack and mateing without a single sacrifice?


    Sacrifices, are genrally just simple tactics, -- clever double threats and deflections, for the most part.
  3. 08 Aug '06 16:22
    Game 2319944

    Game 2353753
    well done, you spotted a forced mate in 2...
  4. 08 Aug '06 16:27
    True that there is nothing wrong with winning slow positional games, but if you can get a big advantage with a sac, then why not play it?
  5. 08 Aug '06 16:31
  6. 08 Aug '06 16:37
    Originally posted by TainoBrotha
    Game 2263137
    I fail to see the sacrifice, could you please tell me where it is?
    Here is one of my own games,not that great beacause my opponent was very passive and let me have my way with him:Game 2348977
  7. 08 Aug '06 16:39
    Originally posted by YUG0slav
    True that there is nothing wrong with winning slow positional games, but if you can get a big advantage with a sac, then why not play it?
    IMO, the word "sacrifice" is most misused term in chess, the word in most context is a complete oxymoron.

    if this "queen sac" delivers a forced mate then it is not a "sacrifice", but rather a tactical device to win the game. -- and if it does force mate, then it is a rather effective tactical device.

    A true sac is one where its consequences are unknown and/or unfathomable --- but even then, you are sacing with the aim of gaining some compensation. so, that not really a true 'sac' either...

    so perhaps the only "true" sac would be simply hanging a Queen?
  8. 08 Aug '06 16:43
    but while I'm here, I may as well post my own: -

    Game 2223319

    This game is my best example of a Queen sac - it doesn't deliver mate (with best defence) but it does win huge compensation for the initial loss


    15. Nf6 was best, the line I considered was.

    Nf6 Rxg7 Qb6? [Rf8? Bxf6+ Rxf6 Rg8+] Rxb7 Qd5 Rf7

    -- this line (unlike 15.Kd8) does not lead to forced mate (which I later missed and went on to play a crap endgame {silly 21. Knight sac, instead of Bf3+}...)
  9. 08 Aug '06 16:44 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Shinidoki

    if this "queen sac" delivers a forced mate then it is not a "sacrifice", but rather a tactical device to win the game. -- and if it does force mate, then it is a rather effective tactical device.
    I once read this misconseption sumed up nicely, something along the lines of

    "How can It be called a queen sacrifice, when it wins a whole king"
  10. 08 Aug '06 16:44 / 1 edit
    no Shini, that's just an unsound sacrifice. A sound sacrifice is actually calculated to be beneficial.
  11. 08 Aug '06 16:47
    Originally posted by YUG0slav
    no Shini, that's just an unsound sacrifice. A sound sacrifice is actually calculated to be beneficial.
    ....

    If it is benefical then how are you making sacrifices?
  12. 08 Aug '06 16:49
    Originally posted by Poppensep
    I once read this misconseption sumed up nicely, something along the lines of

    "How can It be called a queen sacrifice, when it wins a whole king"
    yes....thats exactly what i'm trying to say --- the author of that quote just got a little more poetic
  13. 08 Aug '06 16:50
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_terminology

    you seem a bit disgruntled shinidoki and I can't quite figure out why.
  14. 08 Aug '06 16:52 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Shinidoki
    ....

    If it is benefical then how are you making sacrifices?
    Ok, no comments, it's in progress, but he's been refusing to move for the last few days so I'll post it anyway. If this isn't a true sac, then I don't know what is . And yes, the game's a MESS!

    Game 2174611

    NO COMMENTS. Actually, I think talking about the sac of the knight on move 12 might be ok, but I'm not totally sure. And yes, there's a forced mate unless I've made a HUGE mistake, but no comments on that final position.

    BTW: I think I had a plan with that knight sac, but I'm not sure what it was .

    One more thing, 27.Bxf8!, which I had planned out, but forgot when I made my actual move!
  15. 08 Aug '06 16:57
    Originally posted by YUG0slav
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_terminology

    you seem a bit disgruntled shinidoki and I can't quite figure out why.
    I'm saying the word "sacrifice", chesswise, is an oxymoron.


    if the word wasn't currently being used I'd suggest calling all "sacs" "exchanges" or "swaps" --afterall, I am tradeing my Queen for mate in 2.