I've been playing the grob exclusively for the last few weeks. It generally leads to quick, interesting games, and I think it might be a good weapon against players my level if I ever get into OTB play. I've had some bad losses with it, but those have usually been the fault of my sloppy play, not the opening itself.
A few examples of my Grob games:
Wins
Game 2149040
Game 2121664
Game 2133516
Losses
Game 2133400
Game 2148549
Game 2129539
http://www.chessville.com/downloads/misc_downloads.htm#ebooks
The above might make a nice addendum to your book.
Game 1958788
I was following a line given in the above ref's download.
Edit: My best Grob to date ran: 1.g4 Nf6 2.g5 d5 3.gxf6 Resigns This was an OTB club game against a 1675 guy.
Originally posted by jgvaccaroGame 2149040
I've been playing the grob exclusively for the last few weeks. It generally leads to quick, interesting games, and I think it might be a good weapon against players my level if I ever get into OTB play. I've had some bad losses with it, but those have usually been the fault of my sloppy play, not the opening itself.
A few examples of my Grob games:
...[text shortened]... gid]
Game 2133516
Losses
Game 2133400
Game 2148549
Game 2129539
17...Bxb4 is clearly a dmistake how about
17...Ng3 18.Rh2 ed 19.cd Qxd4 looks strong for black
Game 2133516
16...Rxd2!! wins instantly
17.Kxd2 Qxc2+ 18. Rd8+ Bd4 19.ed and white can not save both the B and the N.
Originally posted by ChessJesterDon't worry, it IS a horrible move. It may have occasional surprise value OTB, but no serious player would base his repertoire around an opening that pretty well rules out kingside castling first move!
I always thought 1.g4 to be a horrible move... my brother played it against me once and after first expressing doubt I then proceeded to stomp him into the ground.
Originally posted by aginisI imagine you're right about the rook sac, but you seem to have gotten white and black switched around somewhere in there. It appears you have black moving twice in a row.
Game 2133516
16...Rxd2!! wins instantly
17.Kxd2 Qxc2+ 18. Rd8+ Bd4 19.ed and white can not save both the B and the N.[/b]
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By the way, is Kxd2 white's best option? What would happen after 17. Nf3?
Against the grob I normally give up the exchange; this is white's big idea. I find that black gets an excellent game:
1. g4 d5
2. Bg2 Bg4
3. c4 dc4!? (The fritz gambit)
4. Bb7 Nd7
5. Ba8 Qa8
And now White has to play f3. For the exchange black gets lightning development in comparison to white's ugly position. There is also a pin on the a8-h1 diagonal. The knight on d7 usually gets to hop to e5 later to compound matters for white.
Originally posted by aginisI went backand looked at it with the computer (ChessDragon using crafty engine), and. it suggests that white is still ahead after 16... Rxd2 17. Nf3 (17. Kxd2 is clearly wrong.)
Game 2133516
16...Rxd2!! wins instantly
17.Kxd2 Qxc2+ 18. Rd8+ Bd4 19.ed and white can not save both the B and the N.[/b]
On the other hand, the computer says that black is winning after 17. Bc3 Rxd2 18.Bxd2. So hitting d2 with the rook was right, just one move later than you suggested.
The computer also pointed out that black should play Nxd5 on move 11, leading to 12. Bxd5 Bxf2+ 13. Kxf2 Nc5 and black is winning.
Originally posted by aginisWhat's wrong with 16.Nf3
Game 2133516
16...Rxd2!! wins instantly
17.Kxd2 Qxc2+ 18. Rd8+ Bd4 19.ed and white can not save both the B and the N.[/b]
I am going to try it on this site. Only players rated below 1500 as I am a coward.
Watch these games and quiver.
Game 2269227
Game 2269228
Game 2269229
Game 2269230
Game 2269417
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Originally posted by Dragon FireThe last two are in progress.
I am going to try it on this site. Only players rated below 1500 as I am a coward.
Watch these games and quiver.
Game 2269227
Game 2269228
Game 2269229
Game 2269230
Game 2269417
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Here's a Grob game that went reasonably well for me-- 30 minute/game time control:
[Event "rated standard match"]
[Site "freechess.org"]
[Date "2006.07.08"]
[Round "?"]
[White "JakeV"]
[Black "vissers"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "1123P"]
[BlackElo "1680P"]
[ECO "A00"]
[TimeControl "1800"]
1. g4 Nf6 2. h3 g6 3. Bg2 Bg7 4. c3 d5 5. Qb3 c6 6. d4 O-O 7. Bg5 h6 8. Bh4
Nbd7 9. Nd2 e5 10. dxe5 Nxe5 11. Ngf3 Re8 12. O-O-O a5 13. g5 hxg5 14. Bxg5
a4 15. Qb4 Qe7 16. Qxe7 Rxe7 17. Nxe5 Rxe5 18. Bxf6 Bxf6 19. Bf3 Bf5 20. h4
Kg7 21. h5 Rh8 22. hxg6 Rxh1 23. Rxh1 Bxg6 24. Rg1 Bg5 25. e3 b5 26. Bg4 Bh4
27. Rg2 Re7 28. Nf3 Bf6 29. Nd4 Bxd4 30. cxd4 Kf8 31. Kd2 Ke8 32. Rh2 Kd8 33.
Rh8+ Kc7 34. f4 Be4 35. Rc8+ Kd6 36. Rd8+ Kc7 37. Rc8+ Kb6 38. Rb8+ Rb7 39.
Rxb7+ Kxb7 40. Bh5 f5 41. a3 Kb6 42. Kc3 c5 43. Be8 cxd4+ 44. Kxd4 Ka5 45.
Bc6 b4 46. Kc5 bxa3 47. bxa3 d4 48. exd4 Bxc6 49. Kxc6 Ka6 50. d5 Ka7 51. d6
{vissers resigns} 1-0
Here's one that did not go so well:
Game 2201205
Originally posted by jgvaccaroNice FICS game, Pro Deo thinks that after 42...Kc7 it's drawn (Depth 17). However the big mistake for black was 43...cxd4? (43...Bf3 is apparently better, -.12depth 17) and 47...d4? is also horrible. Best here is 47...Ka6 although your chances for victory look very solid even after this move. Nice job.
Here's a Grob game that went reasonably well for me-- 30 minute/game time control:
[Event "rated standard match"]
[Site "freechess.org"]
[Date "2006.07.08"]
[Round "?"]
[White "JakeV"]
[Black "vissers"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "1123P"]
[BlackElo "1680P"]
[ECO "A00"]
[TimeControl "1800"]
1. g4 Nf6 2. h3 g6 3. Bg2 Bg7 4. c3 d5 5. Qb3 c6 6. d ...[text shortened]... resigns} 1-0
Here's one that did not go so well:
Game 2201205