Originally posted by WanderingKing Yes, according to Wikipedia, and even according to my games, although I do lose this often enough. It's definitely the most common one. The play often goes something like this:
[pgn]1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 Nc6 3. Bc4 g6 4. Qf3 Nf6 5. Qb3 Nd4 6. Qc3 b5 *[/pgn]
or this:
[pgn]1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 Nc6 3. Bc4 g6 4. Qf3 Nf6 5. c3 Bc5 *[/pgn]
or this:
[pgn]1. e4 e5 2 ...[text shortened]... this one is so common that I've learned all the moves, and at least I won't blunder early.
On the first example why not 6...d5. White looks hosed to me. There's threats all over the place.
Originally posted by WanderingKing At my level I often have to play against opponents who seek an easy win by a queen strike in the opening. I know it's bad for you, so I don't do this, but I experience a lot of trouble handling this situation as a defender, especially in blitz and bullet, but also here. (Yes, I am playing some games with this happening, but I'm not asking for any comme ...[text shortened]... game, so I think the only way is to internalize as many patterns as possible. Am I right?
In a RHP game, you can use and learn from a game database how to refute those gimicky early Q attacks.
Originally posted by moon1969 In a RHP game, you can use and learn from a game database how to refute those gimicky early Q attacks.
What database you mean? That would be great. Actually that's what I'm looking for. I've found a database for grandmaster level games, but in those games early queen attacks are too rare.
Originally posted by WanderingKing What if after d5, white just goes for an exchange?
You mean saccing the exchange?
If black captures on c2 and then the R on a1, white can't take back immediately. If black can consolidate his position, get castled and then get the knight out then black is up a R with a better position- It should be an easy forced win.
If white spends time going after the knight, black can spend that time building a much better position and still be up in material.
Originally posted by savage4731 You mean saccing the exchange?
If black captures on c2 and then the R on a1, white can't take back immediately. If black can consolidate his position, get castled and then get the knight out then black is up a R with a better position- It should be an easy forced win.
If white spends time going after the knight, black can spend that time building a much better position and still be up in material.
Give me a specific line.
I meant 7. exd5, but then black plays Bb4 and white can't defend the rook. You're right, it's great move. I'll start playing it.
Originally posted by Eladar If I'm following the line correctly, chances are that at your level you'll end up taking the queen!
Do you mean when white takes the bishop on b4? Right, this is very possible. I would probably do it in blitz without knowing the trap. (I hope I wouldn't do it in a correspondence game... But I don't play this opening as white anyway.)
Originally posted by Eladar Yep, that's what I meant. Lower level people either don't learn or haven't been burned by such a set up yet.
I'm not so sure. I'm certainly low level, but I (hope I) would think twice before assuming my opponent is giving me his bishop for free. I mean, I'm unfortunately well able to assume that my opponent is making a mistake and move without much thought, but I not this kind of mistake. Few people just put their pieces on clearly attacked sqares without support unless they have something in mind.
handling a queen developed too early
28 Jul '11 02:27
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