Is it just me, or is anyone else annoyed by totally ridiculous draw offers.
I tend to get them a lot in totally won rook and pawn endgames. I remember one where my opponent repeatedly offered a draw in a rook and pawn endgame where we each had one rook, but I had 4 connected pawns to his one. Needless to say, I declined those multiple draw offers and won.
The latest is an opponent who offers a draw in what would ordinarily be a difficult, maybe drawn, king and pawn endgame. The only problem with THAT draw offer is that I also have a rook. He doesn't.
I'm just truly sick of people offering me draws in positions that a total beginner who just learned the rules could win.
Originally posted by paultopiaLet's just say, players constantly offering draws, will not help them in the long run, or even throughout the game. For example, that dude you are up a rook against, say by some miracle, you blunder the rook, then he sees, even despite that blunder, that it's a hard fought king and pawn ending that he will likely lose in 50 moves. At this point, it may be suitable to offer a draw, but you would never accept due to his previous annoyance by offering constant draws.
Is it just me, or is anyone else annoyed by totally ridiculous draw offers.
I tend to get them a lot in totally won rook and pawn endgames. I remember one where my opponent repeatedly offered a draw in a rook and pawn endgame where we each had one rook, but I had 4 connected pawns to his one. Needless to say, I declined those multiple draw offers an ...[text shortened]... eople offering me draws in positions that a total beginner who just learned the rules could win.
IMHO, the draw offer is a poker shot in chess, offer it when you think it's a good time to bluff, not during the obvious, as this ruins your chances.
Originally posted by mateuloseI think offering a draw as a bluff or when you are in a probable losing position, is a violation of chess etiquette. You should offer a draw when you believe that NEITHER player has any reasonable winning chances. I had a prior thread about what to do when you get improper draw offers; the general consensus seems to be simply decline with a polite "no thanks". That's the policy I use now; it seems to avoid arguments like a few ones I got early on in my RHP career (one player is so angry at me for relatively innocuous comments I made when he offered me a draw when he had a Rook + 3 pawns and I had a Queen + 2 pawns, that he still won't play me 3 months later!)
Let's just say, players constantly offering draws, will not help them in the long run, or even throughout the game. For example, that dude you are up a rook against, say by some miracle, you blunder the rook, then he sees, even despite that blunder, that it's a hard fought king and pawn ending that he will likely lose in 50 moves. At this point, it may b ...[text shortened]... t when you think it's a good time to bluff, not during the obvious, as this ruins your chances.
So, grit your teeth and play on!
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Originally posted by no1marauderI think offering a draw once, when you're slightly worse, is fair enough, if only because correctly evaluating drawn positions is an element of chess skill. If your opponent is less skilled at evaluating the position on the board and realizing that they're better, then you deserve the draw. You earned it with that superior evaluation skill. (I've actually successfully done that at least once OTB, where my opponent could simplify by force into a won K&P endgame, but I didn't think he saw that, and I was right.) It's the sort of thing Lasker might do -- brainwash 'em into believing that the position is drawn when it isn't.
I think offering a draw as a bluff or when you are in a probable losing position, is a violation of chess etiquette. You should offer a draw when you believe that NEITHER player has any reasonable winning chances.
On the other hand, when your opponent has rejected the draw offer once, they obviously have also correctly evaluated the position. So there's no acceptable reason to offer it again unless the position has materially changed.
Likewise, offering a draw in OBVIOUSLY lopsided positions, like being a rook down without compensation, is just absurd.
Originally posted by no1marauderI am often guilty of offering draws in many of my games. I rarely offer a draw when I'm in a losing position, but every once in a while I'm in a rook and pawn endgame where I THINK I have a draw and offer one. Sometimes, my opponent (who is usually much higher ranked than I am) politely refuses and goes on to show me exactly why the game ISN'T a draw. (Sometimes I do actually manage the draw!)
I think offering a draw as a bluff or when you are in a probable losing position, is a violation of chess etiquette. You should offer a draw when you believe that NEITHER player has any reasonable winning chances. I had a prior thread about what to do when you get improper draw offers; the general consensus seems to be simply decline with a pol ...[text shortened]... Queen + 2 pawns, that he still won't play me 3 months later!)
So, grit your teeth and play on!
My point is - there are some positions where your opponent offers a draw simply because he doesn't actually see your win. You can't hold him/her guilty of being ignorant.
Luc
PS - My standard response to a draw offer in a clear winning position is that of the (once) great Bobby Fischer - "Of course not!" 🙂
Originally posted by LivingLegendIn SteveC's defense (he is in my clan and also a work colleague of mine in real life) he is off sick with a very bad back so he was probably looking to curtail some of his games early to avoid being timed out in them.
Game 502067
White offered a draw on move 29 here... 😕 He was a 2100 player!
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