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  1. 15 Dec '12 17:18 / 1 edit


    White's move now, but he got disconnected. Out of despair?

    I still think that after
    1. Kc1 12 2. Ra6 Black is lost.

    edit>> not a big deal; just a Blitz game few minutes ago
  2. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    15 Dec '12 18:38 / 5 edits
    Originally posted by vandervelde
    [fen]8/8/1R6/8/1p6/pk6/3K4/8 w - -[/fen]

    White's move now, but he got disconnected. Out of despair?

    I still think that after
    1. Kc1 12 2. Ra6 Black is lost.

    edit>> not a big deal; just a Blitz game few minutes ago
    I think I would prefer 1.Kd3 blocking in the black king.
    No, my thinking was backward, you are right.
    I was thinking the pawns were going up the board instead of down.
    Why, I don't know.

    That would make my move really Ke6. I am still getting used to using algebraic notation after using descriptive for so long. That's like 1.P-K4 P-K4. After going back to OTB play my scorecard is always screwed up now.
  3. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    15 Dec '12 19:02 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by vandervelde
    [fen]8/8/1R6/8/1p6/pk6/3K4/8 w - -[/fen]

    White's move now, but he got disconnected. Out of despair?

    I still think that after
    1. Kc1 12 2. Ra6 Black is lost.

    edit>> not a big deal; just a Blitz game few minutes ago
    Not sure of the actual sequence here, 1 K-c1, a2? How does white stop the pawn? If it advances it stops the king going in, seems the rook has to come over to attack the a pawn then the king gets to b2. and then with the king at b2, the other pawn can come down. Looks to me like the rook goes away stopping the pawn from queening.

    If the rook takes pawn check it is a draw because the white king gets to b2, takes a pawn, classical draw, only kings on the board.
  4. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    15 Dec '12 19:03 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Not sure of the actual sequence here, 1 K-c1, a2? How does white stop the pawn? If it advances it stops the king going in, seems the rook has to come over to attack the a pawn then the king gets to b2. and then with the king at b2, the other pawn can come down. Looks to me like the rook goes away stopping the pawn from queening.

    If the rook takes pawn check it is a draw.
  5. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    15 Dec '12 19:04 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    [pgn]
    [FEN "8/8/1R6/8/1p6/pk6/3K4/8 w - - 0 1"]
    1.Kc1 a2 2.Ra7 {is how white stops the pawn}
    [/pgn]
    You need to check your pgn. I get it, king has to move out, goodbye pawn.
  6. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    15 Dec '12 19:05
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    You need to check your pgn
    Some people just want you to do everything for them. 😞
  7. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    15 Dec '12 19:06 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    Some people just want you to do everything for them. 😞
    🙂 I see the thing, king has to go out and it loses protection on pawn.
  8. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    15 Dec '12 19:10
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Not sure of the actual sequence here, 1 K-c1, a2? How does white stop the pawn? If it advances it stops the king going in, seems the rook has to come over to attack the a pawn then the king gets to b2. and then with the king at b2, the other pawn can come down. Looks to me like the rook goes away stopping the pawn from queening.

    If the rook takes pawn ch ...[text shortened]... a draw because the white king gets to b2, takes a pawn, classical draw, only kings on the board.
    After 1. Kc1 a2? 2. Ra6 or 1. K-QB1 P-R7 2. R-QR6
  9. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    15 Dec '12 19:14
    Black can't even escape by playing for stalemate.

  10. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    15 Dec '12 19:35
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Not sure of the actual sequence here, 1 K-c1, a2? How does white stop the pawn? If it advances it stops the king going in, seems the rook has to come over to attack the a pawn then the king gets to b2. and then with the king at b2, the other pawn can come down. Looks to me like the rook goes away stopping the pawn from queening.

    If the rook takes pawn ch ...[text shortened]... a draw because the white king gets to b2, takes a pawn, classical draw, only kings on the board.
    If it were Black to move first it would be a draw like you said. Or if white moved 1.Kd3 thinking the pawns were going in the other direction like me and then discovered he was wrong, then it would be a draw.
  11. 16 Dec '12 15:24
    Thanks for the comments.
    It would have been (maybe) interesting to see the whole game - two patzers: I had a Laufer plus thanks to his oversight but I managed to overlook even more as we approached the ending.
  12. 16 Dec '12 15:26
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    If it were Black to move first it would be a draw like you said. Or if white moved 1.Kd3 thinking the pawns were going in the other direction like me and then discovered he was wrong, then it would be a draw.
    That would have been a "just result"... 😉