Originally posted by rubberjaw30You need to seriously check your notation dude. 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nf3 hangs a pawn to 3..dxe4, and 3.. Bf4 is impossible. And 5. Bb5+ is not check since there is a pawn on c6.
alright...
here's one...
1. e4 c6
2. d4 d5
3. Nf3 Bf4
4. Be3 e6
5. Bb5+ and knight goes to e5, and i die quickly...
Originally posted by !~TONY~!i was just quickly running through some Caro-Kann type moves that I usually see, though not in that order obviously...
You need to seriously check your notation dude. 1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nf3 hangs a pawn to 3..dxe4, and 3.. Bf4 is impossible. And 5. Bb5+ is not check since there is a pawn on c6.
the Bb5+ comes after pawn c5, after e6, after Bg3 or f4 depending on the line...
trying to undermine white's pawn chain...
so, sorry about the miscues, i was doing it really quick in my head...
Ok, well let me help you out a little bit. There are very few lines where Black or White actually wastes a tempo to stop Bb5+. In fact, I can't think of any right now. Keep in mind that you can in fact block chess, so any type of Bb5+ ideas can be met by, ..Nc6, ..Bd7, ..Nbd7. Don't waste the tempo.
Originally posted by !~TONY~!ok, thanks...
Ok, well let me help you out a little bit. There are very few lines where Black or White actually wastes a tempo to stop Bb5+. In fact, I can't think of any right now. Keep in mind that you can in fact block chess, so any type of Bb5+ ideas can be met by, ..Nc6, ..Bd7, ..Nbd7. Don't waste the tempo.
will do...
but i need to know:
what are the dire cons of playing Caro-Kann regularly?
i love the fact that, after all exchanges are made, black usually has a better pawn formation for a superior endgame...
why is it not played nearly as much as Sicilian or 1. ... e5, or even the French?
I like Caro-Kann over French because my light squared bishop is more active...
1. White can play pretty average chess and just have more space the whole game, since Black almost always at some point plays ..dxe4.
2. It's harder to arrange the c5 break in the Caro Kann, whereas in the French Black can almost always play it on moves 3-5 with a complicated game.
3. It's hard to win with this opening.
4. It's extraordinarily lame. (See #3)
Getting back to the point of this thread, I'd recommend all 1.e4 players who wish to improve their game to play as many Open Sicilians (i.e. 2.Nf3 & 3.d4) as possible on RHP. It is probably objectively the best way to meet the Sicilian, and the middle game positions that you reach are both typical and instructive. It is true there's an awful lot of theory in OPen Sicilians, which is why it does make sense to play the occasional Anti-Sicilian OTB, but Correspondence Chess is an ideal medium to get to know some of these lines.
Originally posted by Northern Ladtrue, but i need practice with it on CC so i can be prepared OTB
Getting back to the point of this thread, I'd recommend all 1.e4 players who wish to improve their game to play as many Open Sicilians (i.e. 2.Nf3 & 3.d4) as possible on RHP. It is probably objectively the best way to meet the Sicilian, and the middle game positions that you reach are both typical and instructive. It is true there's an awful lot of theo ...[text shortened]... -Sicilian OTB, but Correspondence Chess is an ideal medium to get to know some of these lines.
but good point just the same...
i am particularly interested with lines as white in closed sicilian after a pawn to e5 sacrafice...
i have heard of some GMs having great success with it...
anyone know anything about this gambit?
Originally posted by !~TONY~!let's play a game where i'm black
1. White can play pretty average chess and just have more space the whole game, since Black almost always at some point plays ..dxe4.
2. It's harder to arrange the c5 break in the Caro Kann, whereas in the French Black can almost always play it on moves 3-5 with a complicated game.
3. It's hard to win with this opening.
4. It's extraordinarily lame. (See #3)
i wanna see how you pick apart my Caro-Kann...
see if the constant space advantage makes a difference...
you offer it...
i imagine ud have restrictions if i offered...
Originally posted by Northern LadYeah, that sounds like very good advice to me. I used to play the GP to avoid the theory of the Open Sicilian as white, but decided to switch into it to get the best chance for winning positions and it seems to easily be white's best choice - and the games seem more fun. Also, despite being 'theory-heavy' it's not too much of a problem, I've never really seen my opponents know more book than me - just understand what you're playing, it's important to check out Classical, Najdorf, Dragon, and Sveshnikov lines though.
Getting back to the point of this thread, I'd recommend all 1.e4 players who wish to improve their game to play as many Open Sicilians (i.e. 2.Nf3 & 3.d4) as possible on RHP. It is probably objectively the best way to meet the Sicilian, and the middle game positions that you reach are both typical and instructive. It is true there's an awful lot of theo ...[text shortened]... -Sicilian OTB, but Correspondence Chess is an ideal medium to get to know some of these lines.
Originally posted by cmsMasterSpeaking of the Grand Prix Attack,
Yeah, that sounds like very good advice to me. I used to play the GP to avoid the theory of the Open Sicilian as white, but decided to switch into it to get the best chance for winning positions and it seems to easily be white's best choice - and the games seem more fun. Also, despite being 'theory-heavy' it's not too much of a problem, I've never really ...[text shortened]... ing, it's important to check out Classical, Najdorf, Dragon, and Sveshnikov lines though.
i heard a long time ago, that in a game amongst players at GM level, in the Grand Prix attack black loses after playing Nf6
what is it about a knight on f6 that a grand master can force an advantage out of
Originally posted by rubberjaw303.g3??
hey, i need some help from some of the stronger players on the site...
it'd be great if i could play any of you in a game...
but at the moment, i want to know whether, and how, playable this game is...
i am white
1. e4 c5
2. Nc3 Nc6 avoiding mainline Sicilian, i find it throws the devout Sicilian fans off they're game...
3. g3 g6
4. Bg2 Bg7
...[text shortened]... a Grand Prix set up, which isn't so bad, but i want to know what u guys think about this...
i'd perfer d4
Originally posted by cmsMasterI'm the opposite, I used to play into all open Sicilians, and would score poorly against Pelikans and Sveshys, (never really faced Dragons and the Najdorf players I faced were luckily all junk) so I switched to a closed (with a delayed Nc3)
Yeah, that sounds like very good advice to me. I used to play the GP to avoid the theory of the Open Sicilian as white, but decided to switch into it to get the best chance for winning positions and it seems to easily be white's best choice - and the games seem more fun. Also, despite being 'theory-heavy' it's not too much of a problem, I've never really ...[text shortened]... ing, it's important to check out Classical, Najdorf, Dragon, and Sveshnikov lines though.
and to say that the closed scores 47% isn't a good argument from you since white scores 44% in the 9. Bc4 Yugoslav Attack Dragon, which by your argument would make the Closed a better choice than playing into mainline Dragon theory
Originally posted by Diet Cokeme, although, i polayed through this variation in my head this morning, and when i showed it to a friend on a board, he said he actually liked it for black...
Who doesn't?
what do you guys think?
this is a line i would consider for black:
1. e4 d5
2. exd c6
white declines with d4, where it basically becomes a Caro-Kann Echange Variation...
and accepts with knight to c6...
does black gain any compensation whatsoever for the pawn?
i like the open files for queen (and rook after an eventual Rc8)
what do you guys think?