I know that there is some advantage and I remember watching Short vs Kasparov as a kid and hearing the comentators talking about Kasparov trying to win as white and draw as black. Is there such a great advantage and should different tactics be used when playing as black durring the opening
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Originally posted by jugglingeekIt has been shown in the past -- other similar threads -- that most of us lowly players on the site, actually have a BETTER record as black, than as white.
I know thatI t there is some advantage and I remember watching Short vs Kasparov as a kid and hearing the comentators talking about Kasparov trying to win as white and draw as black. Is there such a great advantage and should different tactics be used when playing as black durring the opening
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Originally posted by tmetzlerYup. I'm sure I have a better record as black than white because I'm able to feed off my opponent's mistakes. Heading into the 1900s your opponents make fewer and fewer mistakes - especially not the obvious ones - and then they're picking up on your little ones. At GM level the mistakes are so minute, you need an expert commentator to point them out - and then often only in hindsight.
It has been shown in the past -- other similar threads -- that most of us lowly players on the site, actually have a BETTER record as black, than as white.
So, in the real - as opposed to the rarified - world it makes little difference.
Originally posted by buffalobillYou can check for sure by going to MY HOME and clicking into MY PERFORMANCE.
Yup. I'm sure I have a better record as black than white because I'm able to feed off my opponent's mistakes. Heading into the 1900s your opponents make fewer and fewer mistakes - especially not the obvious ones - and then they're picking up on your little ones. At GM level the mistakes are so minute, you need an expert commentator to point them out ...[text shortened]... in hindsight.
So, in the real - as opposed to the rarified - world it makes little difference.
Here is mine.
White 59% Wins
Black 62% Wins
Originally posted by buffalobillMy experience is that never works when you force it. You end up with a crappy position. Just try to play and avoid traps, and the pieces will come off by themselves.
Tried that once against a +1900 player and got gently and subtly slaughtered. In the end game I had no hope. Always play for a win and be happy if you get a draw.
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Originally posted by THUDandBLUNDERI brought up the possibility of biasing the ratings calculation for color in another thread. Let me repeat it one last time.
It varies from zero for woodpushing patzers up to about 10% for grandmasters.
If we accept the 10% figure for grandmasters, and if we say that a grandmaster would be rated 3,000 here at RHP, then the website software could have an added software routine that takes the results of the current calculation of how much each player's rating will change after a game between them finishes, and biases the change in ratings based on color.
Example: Floyd is rated 2,000. Goober is rated 1,000. Floyd beats Goober in the game, with Floyd playing White and Goober playing Black. The current RHP software, let us suppose, gives Floyd +4 points and takes 2 points away from Goober. My suggestion is that a biasing routine does a linear interpolation thusly:
Goober was rated (1000/3000) of a grandmaster, so the fact that Goober played Black hurt his chances of winning by (1000/3000) * 0.10 = 0.0333. As a result, Floyd's rating increases by (1-0.0333) * 4, instead of by the full 4 points.
Floyd was rated (2000/3000) of a grandmaster, so the fact that Floyd played White helped his chances of winning by (2000/3000) * 0.10 = 0.0666. As a result, Goober's rating decreases by (1-0.0666) * 2, instead of by the full 2 points.
Originally posted by Paul DiracYou give grandmasters a rating of 3,000? You don't think there's any chance Ironman31 is a GM?
I brought up the possibility of biasing the ratings calculation for color in another thread. Let me repeat it one last time.
I we accept the 10% figure for grandmasters, and if we say that a grandmaster would be rated 3,000 here at RHP, then the website software could have an added software routine that takes the results of the current calculation of h ...[text shortened]... 666. As a result, Goober's rating decreases by (1-0.0666) * 2, instead of by the full 2 points.