this, it seems to me, is lightyears more difficult than resignation...
lat's say you're in a (book) drawn Rook and pawn endgame...
your opponent offers a draw...
do you:
1.) accept without further ado
2.) ask your opponent to move first
obviously, you'd go with option two, since then he has to move, and then you can decide whether or not to accept.
ok, so you're still in this book drawn endgame, and your opponent makes a move that is not in the book method!
You're not sure whether or not to try to see if your opponent made a mistake or if its still a draw...
here, do you:
1.) not risk anything, and take the draw
2.) risk a mistake on your part and play on?
I've had all four of these happen to me OTB with every possible outcome.
sometimes, I accept the draw immediately, afraid that if i make my opponent move, I'll talk myself into playing on, where I've made losing mistakes.
sometimes, I make him play on, and then accept the draw immediately, provided he stays book.
the true question that needs to be answered is what to do when your opponent has offered a draw, made an out of book move, and you play on... here's where you get stuck: your mistake balances with his and its still a book draw. you offer a draw, and move, and its your opponent's turn with an offered draw, but a difference!
your opponent is now aware that your endgames are not perfect, so you play on, and sure enough, you make a losing mistake. What do you guys do in these "book" drawn positions when a draw is offered?
when do you offer the draw (immediately after it becomes a book draw, or do you wait a few moves to see if your opponent know what he's doing)
I almost always play out endgames that are book draws, chess itself is probaily a draw with perfect play, and 2700+ players make mistakes in well known endgames, so what chance does my class A or expert opponent have of playing perfectly. It does not hurt that the endgame is the strongest part of the game for me. If it becomes clear that my opponent knows the technique for a given endgame and is unlikely to make an error I will offer/accept a draw.
Originally posted by rubberjaw30I think you're making it much more complicated than it needs to be. Just ask yourself, "What would Bobby do?" 🙂
this, it seems to me, is lightyears more difficult than resignation...
lat's say you're in a (book) drawn Rook and pawn endgame...
your opponent offers a draw...
do you:
1.) accept without further ado
2.) ask your opponent to move first
obviously, you'd go with option two, since then he has to move, and then you can decide whether or not to accep ...[text shortened]... book draw, or do you wait a few moves to see if your opponent know what he's doing)
If it's clear to you that it ultimately will end in a draw, then accept the draw offer. Otherwise, play it out. You did start the game with the intent of actually playing a game, right? Even if you lose, maybe you'll learn something that will help you later on.
Originally posted by rubberjaw30If the game is "drawish" and
this, it seems to me, is lightyears more difficult than resignation...
lat's say you're in a (book) drawn Rook and pawn endgame...
your opponent offers a draw...
do you:
1.) accept without further ado
2.) ask your opponent to move first
obviously, you'd go with option two, since then he has to move, and then you can decide whether or not to accep ...[text shortened]... book draw, or do you wait a few moves to see if your opponent know what he's doing)
(1) he is rated significantly above me I take a draw unless I can see a clear cut way to gain a winning advantage;
(2) he is rated significantly below me I decline the draw unless I can see a clear cut way for him to gain an advantage;
(3) his rating is similar to mine I take the draw unless the team needs me to win when I decline it.
Originally posted by zzywyou misunderstood, by a rook pawn endgame, I meant that both players have an x amount of pawns and the same number of rooks, which is usually, but not always a draw.
I don't really understand maybe. If I'm playing the weaker side (with the pawn) I'll take all draw offers immediately, if I'm playing the stronger side (with the rook) I'd consider it poor form from my opponent if he offers it and I'll refuse.
Originally posted by Dragon Fireso you accept the draw without checking a few moves to determine whether or not your opponent actually has good endgame technique?
If the game is "drawish" and
(1) he is rated significantly above me I take a draw unless I can see a clear cut way to gain a winning advantage;
(2) he is rated significantly below me I decline the draw unless I can see a clear cut way for him to gain an advantage;
(3) his rating is similar to mine I take the draw unless the team needs me to win when I decline it.
Originally posted by rubberjaw30Did I say that? I don't think so.
so you accept the draw without checking a few moves to determine whether or not your opponent actually has good endgame technique?
P.S. Once an opponent has offered you a draw he cannot withdraw that offer prior to you moving and is obliged to make his move before you decide whether to accept or reject his offer.
Yeah, I didn't quite the "ask your opponent to move" part-- the opponent is required by the rules to make a move as part of the draw offer anyway. So are you just asking whether you should let it slide if the opponent improperly offers the draw without moving?
Oh, I see, now that I read it again, that maybe you didn't consider that part of your question at all. In any case, I don't see any reason not to ask the opponent to follow the rules.